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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 02, 2008 6:49 am) True, they hadn't discovered that hard plastic had so many uses yet, back in 1970!  In those days, it was the good old fashioned exposed metal, where if you got in an accident, they'd just hose your remains off before selling the truck to the next buyer! Here's an old ad for a 1971 Dodge pickup, in a guzzied up trim level. They were trying to make it more civilized and car-like...so even back then they were trying to push off trucks as alternatives to cars! |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 6:07 am) Your lack of knowledge is showing. Ya might try to move out of the 70s and 80s to this century. In fact the Tundra is HUGE in comparison to the F150 and Silverado/Sierra. The Toyota and the Nissan engines are far more powerful than anything Ford has below a 3/4 ton diesel. In the normal configurations that most buyers choose both Nissan and Toyota out pull and go faster than anything either Ford or GM can provide. Those are the little kids on the block now. Hey come join us in the 21st century.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 6:50 am) Didn't GM/Olds ultimately get the Aurora right? Then, they killed it. But, didn't the Aurora not have the "Oldsmobile" name shown anywhere on the body? But, Oldsmobile name sounds stodgy. Just like Buick. These names don't have the cachet of names such as Lexus, Infiniti, Acura. Toyota, Nissan and Honda were brilliant in creating these luxury brand names. Congress should not give a loan unless Big 3, especially GM, present well detailed plans of cutting costs, getting rid of redundant vehicles, etc., that are ready to be implemented early next year. All salaried and hourly costs will have to be cut drastically for the near term. Union needs to cooperate and be willing to rewrite contract. But, still the problem with too many dealerships. Will GM ask Congress for some kind of relief to allow them to modify their agreements with dealers?
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 28, 2008 6:17 pm) |
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While not praising the domestic market, I can't find a restored '53 Toyota for $225,000 but I didn't look because I don't want one. And lets not forget that even the almighty H and T have problems when suppliers are squeezed to bring down the cost of product to be affordable to the down classing of Americans for some time now. Rich are richer and the middle class is struggling/borrowing for years to keep from being sucked down and called lower class (poor). Do you remember the new 5 speed automatics. Did you read edmunds, Quotes like" I'll never buy another toyota again" (and lousy dearlers that I've been exposed to). Honda's extended transmission warranty. One year sold cars, chevies - great managers/owners so-so cars, then hondas - better cars but ruthless hateful greedy owner. Don't forget that, if memory is not gone, it was non union Honda employees trying to prevent hand damage that pioneered all those plastic push pins in doors?-knock a plastic bumper off with your fist. Don't forget in addition to gm windows dropping down because of plastic?, civics did it too. Getting tint one day a woman drove in with a civic and the owner excused himself from our vehicle and started yelling at the lady, I told you not to roll down your window. She said her boyfriend rolled it down and would he please take off the door panel and reinsert the glass in the glide. five minute job to pop off door panel and set the glass. Give me a break. All brands have problem, some more than others. Who just recently resumed control of Toyoda to save the family honor and the Toyota brand. Remember it is a disposable item these days and technology changes fast and so do the vehicles. We don't buy steel stamped hoods, carbs, and distributors anymore. And toyotas aren't "cheap to keep" anymore either. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 02, 2008 8:29 am) MazdaSpeed 6 - 273hp MazdaSpeed 3 - 263hp Other 4cylinder Pushing decent power... Subaru STI - 305hp Lancer Evolution - 291hp Cobalt SS - 260hp Caliber SRT4 - 285hp |
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 02, 2008 6:49 am) I give more kudos to Ford for one simple reason: GM is still planning. Ford is actually doing it. |
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Ford Motor Co. will tell Congress that it plans to return to a pretax profit or break even in 2011 when the Detroit Three automakers' CEOs appear before lawmakers this week to request $25 billion in government loans. Ford CEO Alan Mulally said he'll work for $1 per year if the company has to take any government loan money. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081202/ap_on_go_co/meltdown_autos |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 02, 2008 8:29 am) Dave, you really need to get out more, or read more car reviews.  Road&Track is my favorite. The turbo 4's in the Solstice and Cobalt are making 260hp from a 2.0L engine. My Mazda makes close to 300ft-lb of torque also. I was thinking of an HHR SS before I bought the Mazda, but the lack of AWD was a killer for my 15-degree driveway. And the HHR was recalled because they needed to fit side-curtain airbags which weren't standard then to make the crash-test respectable.
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Mr. Reid won't have to have his sensibilities offended by BO of the tourists (constituents?) who tour the capital building now that the visitor center is finished. It costs THREE times the original--government control anyone? I don't picture Thomas Jefferson or George Washington being offended by BO from their constituents. These are the people complaining about flying to DC by automaker executives... http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/YeasandNays/Reid_We_wont_smell_the_touri- - sts_anymore_12_02_2008.html Reid: We won't smell the tourists anymore By Jeff Dufour and Patrick Gavin POSTED December 2, 2008 | 11:00 AM The Capitol Visitors Center, which opened this morning, may have tripled its original budget and fallen years behind schedule, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid found a silver lining for members of Congress: tourists won't offend them with their B.O. anymore. "My staff tells me not to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway," said Reid in his remarks. "In the summer because of the heat and high humidity, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol. It may be descriptive but it's true." But it's no longer going to be true, noted Reid, thanks to the air conditioned, indoor space. And that's not all. "We have many bathrooms here, as you can see," Reid continued. "Souvenirs are available." |
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