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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
3958 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 01, 2008 4:53 pm) Chrysler for Walter P. Chrysler Dodge for John and Horace Dodge Buick for David D. Buick Chevrolet for Louis Chevrolet
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 6:07 am) Nissan is dropping the Titan after just one generation, the only possibility being selling rebadged Rams as the Gen II, which is looking unlikely with Chrysler's current woes. Titan sales have been terrible, as was the quality of this vehicle the first couple of years. bpizutti: GM has been doing the same thing for a couple of years now - consolidating vehicle design and planning for world cars. Both it and Ford were a solid 20 years late in starting this process, and in neither case is it anywhere close to coming to fruition. The Fiesta is the first model that will come from that effort at Ford, and it will be a decade or more before there is a diversity of models available that are a product of that process. I can't give Ford any more kudos than GM in that regard.
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 6:22 am) If he could not make GM profitable when the rest were making big profits he is not the man to head GM. If they cannot pull out of their mess on their own, throwing good money at them will not help. It is not just about creating jobs. It is about building profitable companies that can make a go of it on their own. GM seems to have run out of time. Let them die and the others will pick up the pieces. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 6:50 am) You could also include GMC as it stands for Grabowski Motor Company - an early truck manufacturer. Daimler is for Gottlieb Daimler. |
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 02, 2008 6:49 am) True, they hadn't discovered that hard plastic had so many uses yet, back in 1970!  In those days, it was the good old fashioned exposed metal, where if you got in an accident, they'd just hose your remains off before selling the truck to the next buyer! Here's an old ad for a 1971 Dodge pickup, in a guzzied up trim level. They were trying to make it more civilized and car-like...so even back then they were trying to push off trucks as alternatives to cars! |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 02, 2008 6:07 am) Your lack of knowledge is showing. Ya might try to move out of the 70s and 80s to this century. In fact the Tundra is HUGE in comparison to the F150 and Silverado/Sierra. The Toyota and the Nissan engines are far more powerful than anything Ford has below a 3/4 ton diesel. In the normal configurations that most buyers choose both Nissan and Toyota out pull and go faster than anything either Ford or GM can provide. Those are the little kids on the block now. Hey come join us in the 21st century.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 6:50 am) Didn't GM/Olds ultimately get the Aurora right? Then, they killed it. But, didn't the Aurora not have the "Oldsmobile" name shown anywhere on the body? But, Oldsmobile name sounds stodgy. Just like Buick. These names don't have the cachet of names such as Lexus, Infiniti, Acura. Toyota, Nissan and Honda were brilliant in creating these luxury brand names. Congress should not give a loan unless Big 3, especially GM, present well detailed plans of cutting costs, getting rid of redundant vehicles, etc., that are ready to be implemented early next year. All salaried and hourly costs will have to be cut drastically for the near term. Union needs to cooperate and be willing to rewrite contract. But, still the problem with too many dealerships. Will GM ask Congress for some kind of relief to allow them to modify their agreements with dealers?
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 28, 2008 6:17 pm) |
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While not praising the domestic market, I can't find a restored '53 Toyota for $225,000 but I didn't look because I don't want one. And lets not forget that even the almighty H and T have problems when suppliers are squeezed to bring down the cost of product to be affordable to the down classing of Americans for some time now. Rich are richer and the middle class is struggling/borrowing for years to keep from being sucked down and called lower class (poor). Do you remember the new 5 speed automatics. Did you read edmunds, Quotes like" I'll never buy another toyota again" (and lousy dearlers that I've been exposed to). Honda's extended transmission warranty. One year sold cars, chevies - great managers/owners so-so cars, then hondas - better cars but ruthless hateful greedy owner. Don't forget that, if memory is not gone, it was non union Honda employees trying to prevent hand damage that pioneered all those plastic push pins in doors?-knock a plastic bumper off with your fist. Don't forget in addition to gm windows dropping down because of plastic?, civics did it too. Getting tint one day a woman drove in with a civic and the owner excused himself from our vehicle and started yelling at the lady, I told you not to roll down your window. She said her boyfriend rolled it down and would he please take off the door panel and reinsert the glass in the glide. five minute job to pop off door panel and set the glass. Give me a break. All brands have problem, some more than others. Who just recently resumed control of Toyoda to save the family honor and the Toyota brand. Remember it is a disposable item these days and technology changes fast and so do the vehicles. We don't buy steel stamped hoods, carbs, and distributors anymore. And toyotas aren't "cheap to keep" anymore either. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 02, 2008 8:29 am) MazdaSpeed 6 - 273hp MazdaSpeed 3 - 263hp Other 4cylinder Pushing decent power... Subaru STI - 305hp Lancer Evolution - 291hp Cobalt SS - 260hp Caliber SRT4 - 285hp |
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