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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:28 pm) |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:01 pm) Um, GM had a perfectly competent offering in Europe called the Corsa but they forgot to make it safe enough for U.S crash standards. Um, Honda DID have to federalize the Fit for U.S. shores, you know, and it spent quite a bit doing so. That's the difference between the two - GM hoped to swamp 'em with sheer model quantity rather than invest in bringing over the most competitive models. GroupThink at work..... But you have to admit, even if you are a Ford fan, that neither Ford or GM has made quick or effective steps to globalize their operations. The writing was on the wall by 1990, yet here it is 2008 and they are still not there. It took them almost 20 years to PLAN TO get serious about it. Bailout? Thumbs down.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:01 pm) All the domestic companies have been known to change the names, to protect the guilty. The Fusion isn't an old established name. Ford just can't sell a midsize sedan under the name Taurus anymore, because they absolutely ruined it for previous owners. The Malibu name comes and goes on a whim. The Detroit 3 have been sleeping on cars for the past 15 years, and they are trying to play catch up. The worst part is, the Japanese 3 are starting to get serious about the light truck segment. So It's not looking good for the future either.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:01 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:28 pm) He knows the secret that many who have migrated away from GM and F and C year after year learned about U.S. cars. It is truly disappointing that this reality still exists and is the main driver in the lost market share. When U.S. trucks can't maintain quality, all has been sacrificed. Considering the plethora of problems with my Denali, I can see why the parts suppliers went bankrupt. Now it's the manufacturer's turn. I finally capitulated with a new CR-V and will probably never buy a U.S. car until the new industry puts out bullet-proof product for at least 5 years running. The "Mark of Excellence" has been tarnished Big Time! Despite the proponents of the current U.S. auto industry, I'm done for quite some time. Consider GM, F and C crushed by the competition. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 01, 2008 5:46 pm) GM, F and Chrysler are still concentrating on using 8 track tape players. The rest of the world are installing MP3 players. Fugheddaboudit! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:01 pm) You've summed it up very well. No kidding, just as I was reading your post, on the TV there was a commercial and the announcer says "the ALL NEW Chevy Traverse"! |
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 01, 2008 5:46 pm) I'm talking models like the Cavalier/Cobalt that will become the Cruze. The Regal to the Lacrosse, the Park Ave to the Lucerne, the sunfire to the G5, Grand Ma to the G6. The new names haven't exactly taken off in the sales dept. and they are really no more special / no less mediocre than the models they replaced IMO.
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 01, 2008 5:17 pm) I agree, but I do think that Mullally has made a few more moves towards "righting the ship" than Wagoner and his bunch of cronies. Look at the truck side of things for instance. When was the last time you saw a commercial for the Expedition? How much advertising do you see for the the Navigator? Even the Explorer and Mountaineer have been without advertising for well over 2 years at least. Now, the Explorer is expected to go crossover (kinda pointless but maybe they know something I don't) the Mountaineer may not survive, the Expy/Navi have no remodels in sight leaving the F-series (which Ford relies heavily on to pay the bills) as the lone gas guzzler in the stable. And here, they have new "Scorpion" diesels in the works to broaden the appeal. They also made the tough (well maybe not so) choice to let go of their dead weight like Jag, LR and AM  . These brands took needed funding away from Fords core. Now, in no way am I saying that Ford is in the clear for the future. Quite the opposite actually. But when I look at the current portfolios of it compared with GM I feel a lot more confident of my support for Mullally and Ford. |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 2:01 pm) That's why Ford is going to be OK...they've begun factoring that in with all their models around the world. That means it costs less to "federalize" vehicles for multiple countries. Design for one country, use in all the rest, save a bunch of money, and we get the Fiesta. 
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