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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
3958 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 9:10 am) |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 27, 2008 12:27 pm) Um, GM had a perfectly competent offering in Europe called the Corsa but they forgot to make it safe enough for U.S crash standards. Instead, we get the miserable little penalty box known as the Aveo which itself was achieving a miserable 3 star crash test ratings not too long ago. That, and lousy gas mileage to boot. Oh, and it's gonna be here till around 2011 or so. Yup, brilliant move there GM! Ford has a new Fiesta coming over that sounds like it'll give the Honda Fit a run for the money. Auto mags are already claiming it to be more fun and tossable and achieving better mileage than the Honda too. This is where GM and Ford differ and why I have for the most part supported them over the years. When they really "TRY" to put the effort into something, it shows. Meanwhile GM will put enough effort in to build something that comes off as mediocre to average, and then when it doesn't meet sales expectations, they just clone it and hope it's siblings pick up the slack.  And then when it farts out completely, GM goes and re-names the damn thing hoping that the buying public forgets all about the previous F-ups from the last model. |
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 28, 2008 3:44 am) BTW, bought my first 2 Honda Accords from the one in Burlington. Excellent dealership FWIW. |
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 30, 2008 7:19 am) And last I spoke with him, at 50+ thousand miles, it has needed nothing (1 warranty repair for the rear tailgate) major in that amount of mileage than both of his previous truck COMBINED.
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 7:49 am) |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 1:28 pm) |
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 1:01 pm) Um, GM had a perfectly competent offering in Europe called the Corsa but they forgot to make it safe enough for U.S crash standards. Um, Honda DID have to federalize the Fit for U.S. shores, you know, and it spent quite a bit doing so. That's the difference between the two - GM hoped to swamp 'em with sheer model quantity rather than invest in bringing over the most competitive models. GroupThink at work..... But you have to admit, even if you are a Ford fan, that neither Ford or GM has made quick or effective steps to globalize their operations. The writing was on the wall by 1990, yet here it is 2008 and they are still not there. It took them almost 20 years to PLAN TO get serious about it. Bailout? Thumbs down.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 1:01 pm) All the domestic companies have been known to change the names, to protect the guilty. The Fusion isn't an old established name. Ford just can't sell a midsize sedan under the name Taurus anymore, because they absolutely ruined it for previous owners. The Malibu name comes and goes on a whim. The Detroit 3 have been sleeping on cars for the past 15 years, and they are trying to play catch up. The worst part is, the Japanese 3 are starting to get serious about the light truck segment. So It's not looking good for the future either.
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 1:01 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 01, 2008 1:28 pm) He knows the secret that many who have migrated away from GM and F and C year after year learned about U.S. cars. It is truly disappointing that this reality still exists and is the main driver in the lost market share. When U.S. trucks can't maintain quality, all has been sacrificed. Considering the plethora of problems with my Denali, I can see why the parts suppliers went bankrupt. Now it's the manufacturer's turn. I finally capitulated with a new CR-V and will probably never buy a U.S. car until the new industry puts out bullet-proof product for at least 5 years running. The "Mark of Excellence" has been tarnished Big Time! Despite the proponents of the current U.S. auto industry, I'm done for quite some time. Consider GM, F and C crushed by the competition. Regards, OW |
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