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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 7:49 am)

Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
 
Probably in a Maybach or LS460 stretch with bar. They will need to be at least the inebriation level of Ted Kennedy to communicate with the bunch of losers.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [gagrice] by lemko
Dec 01, 2008 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 8:03 am)

Shoot, if the showed up in a Maybach or LS460, I wouldn't give 'em squat because they don't even have faith in their own products to show up in foreign vehicles. To make a statement, Waggoner should come in a Malibu, Mulally in a Fusion, and the Chrysler guy, (don't know who he is) should come in one of their minivans.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [gagrice] by xrunner2
Dec 01, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 8:03 am)

Probably in a Maybach or LS460 stretch with bar.
 
That's class, and chutspah. Can one imagine the media going nuts over this. The CEOs upon questioning could say that they have confidence that someday their corps can build cars of these distinctions.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [lemko] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 01, 2008 8:15 am)

I would say it will be the corporate jets. The Big 3 asked the FAA not to post their travel or tracking. If it was me I would cram all three into an Aveo to see what the masses will be stuck driving.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by nippononly
Dec 01, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 7:49 am)

The hearing crank up again tomorrow so I guess the Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
 
Actually steve, I believe the automaker plans are due tomorrow, and the CEO testimony is scheduled for Friday, isn't that it?
 
andre: the interiors of the Malibu and Aura I was in were literally IDENTICAL. As for the exteriors, they look very similar to me - I realize noses and taillights are individualized, but this is just one more example of rebadging the bad way. And look at Aura sales, in the crapper from the beginning, because it's a SATURN. The forgotten brand. Why can't GM get this? Everybody else in the world gets this! The car should have been a Chevy from day one.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Dec 01, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 01, 2008 9:36 am)

Yep, just the plans tomorrow - I jumped the gun before my caffeine kicked in. Congress probably won't even stroll back into work until Wednesday at the earliest.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [andre1969] by michaell
Dec 01, 2008 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 30, 2008 2:05 pm)

andre, it's funny that you should prefer the Aura to the Malibu - especially the rear.
 
One thing that truly annoys me about the Aura is that there isn't really a good spot to put your hand to close the trunk lid - no license plate cut out, no chrome trim, nada. Which means you'll put fingerprints on the paint.
 
The 3.5L/4-speed was phased out in 2007, I think. If I had to get one, I'd probably go with the 2.4L/6-speed auto.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [dieselone] by dave8697
Dec 01, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 9:10 am)

I got a pair of air controlled shocks for $75 at NAPA and put them in my Rivy at about 150k miles. The air lines are held on with a C clip. I also needed a MAF sensor that was $127 at Autozone that year. Held on by 2 screws. The car was 10 years old back then. Had I taken it to the dealer for those 2 items, it would have been much more. I'd call rear shocks a maint item after 36,000 miles.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [cooterbfd] by anythngbutgm
Dec 01, 2008 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 27, 2008 12:27 pm)

"But the Jap big 3 have vehicles like the Fit and Versa that they can just send here, where the NA big 3 don't."
 
Um, GM had a perfectly competent offering in Europe called the Corsa but they forgot to make it safe enough for U.S crash standards.
 
Instead, we get the miserable little penalty box known as the Aveo which itself was achieving a miserable 3 star crash test ratings not too long ago. That, and lousy gas mileage to boot. Oh, and it's gonna be here till around 2011 or so. Yup, brilliant move there GM!
 
Ford has a new Fiesta coming over that sounds like it'll give the Honda Fit a run for the money. Auto mags are already claiming it to be more fun and tossable and achieving better mileage than the Honda too.
 
This is where GM and Ford differ and why I have for the most part supported them over the years. When they really "TRY" to put the effort into something, it shows. Meanwhile GM will put enough effort in to build something that comes off as mediocre to average, and then when it doesn't meet sales expectations, they just clone it and hope it's siblings pick up the slack.
 
And then when it farts out completely, GM goes and re-names the damn thing hoping that the buying public forgets all about the previous F-ups from the last model.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [cooterbfd] by anythngbutgm
Dec 01, 2008 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 28, 2008 3:44 am)

Read the Fine print. Those Chambers ads also include a 20% down payment. That's 3500 - 4000 bucks down on a lease.
 
BTW, bought my first 2 Honda Accords from the one in Burlington. Excellent dealership FWIW.

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