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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by tired_old_dave
Dec 01, 2008 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 23, 2008 9:41 am)

That '53 Buick - yours?
It seems things get together for me, happened to just read Road & Track January 2009 issue (not mine don't subscribe and can't remember the last time an issue was read). 1953 Buick Skylark Convertible restored and for sale at stableltd.com for $225,000. It's white so not the one I saw almost forty years ago.
 
Another story in the issue at Tech Bits, about Portland, "Are cars desireable in a city? or even necessary?
 
While I have never met Ed Wallace, I will not link his site or the Ft Worth paper. But again this sunday's article has continued to increase my admiration for his expressed opinions.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [tired_old_dave] by steve_ HOST
Dec 01, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Dec 01, 2008 7:06 am)

I learned to drive on the '53 Buick when I was 13. My dad sold it around 1965 to some teenager who promptly wrecked it.
 
The hearing crank up again tomorrow so I guess the Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 7:49 am)

Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
 
Probably in a Maybach or LS460 stretch with bar. They will need to be at least the inebriation level of Ted Kennedy to communicate with the bunch of losers.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [gagrice] by lemko
Dec 01, 2008 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 8:03 am)

Shoot, if the showed up in a Maybach or LS460, I wouldn't give 'em squat because they don't even have faith in their own products to show up in foreign vehicles. To make a statement, Waggoner should come in a Malibu, Mulally in a Fusion, and the Chrysler guy, (don't know who he is) should come in one of their minivans.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [gagrice] by xrunner2
Dec 01, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 8:03 am)

Probably in a Maybach or LS460 stretch with bar.
 
That's class, and chutspah. Can one imagine the media going nuts over this. The CEOs upon questioning could say that they have confidence that someday their corps can build cars of these distinctions.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [lemko] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 01, 2008 8:15 am)

I would say it will be the corporate jets. The Big 3 asked the FAA not to post their travel or tracking. If it was me I would cram all three into an Aveo to see what the masses will be stuck driving.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by nippononly
Dec 01, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 7:49 am)

The hearing crank up again tomorrow so I guess the Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
 
Actually steve, I believe the automaker plans are due tomorrow, and the CEO testimony is scheduled for Friday, isn't that it?
 
andre: the interiors of the Malibu and Aura I was in were literally IDENTICAL. As for the exteriors, they look very similar to me - I realize noses and taillights are individualized, but this is just one more example of rebadging the bad way. And look at Aura sales, in the crapper from the beginning, because it's a SATURN. The forgotten brand. Why can't GM get this? Everybody else in the world gets this! The car should have been a Chevy from day one.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [nippononly] by steve_ HOST
Dec 01, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 01, 2008 9:36 am)

Yep, just the plans tomorrow - I jumped the gun before my caffeine kicked in. Congress probably won't even stroll back into work until Wednesday at the earliest.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [andre1969] by michaell
Dec 01, 2008 (11:15 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 30, 2008 2:05 pm)

andre, it's funny that you should prefer the Aura to the Malibu - especially the rear.
 
One thing that truly annoys me about the Aura is that there isn't really a good spot to put your hand to close the trunk lid - no license plate cut out, no chrome trim, nada. Which means you'll put fingerprints on the paint.
 
The 3.5L/4-speed was phased out in 2007, I think. If I had to get one, I'd probably go with the 2.4L/6-speed auto.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [dieselone] by dave8697
Dec 01, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 9:10 am)

I got a pair of air controlled shocks for $75 at NAPA and put them in my Rivy at about 150k miles. The air lines are held on with a C clip. I also needed a MAF sensor that was $127 at Autozone that year. Held on by 2 screws. The car was 10 years old back then. Had I taken it to the dealer for those 2 items, it would have been much more. I'd call rear shocks a maint item after 36,000 miles.

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