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Re: Car Pool to Washington [circlew] by cooterbfd
Nov 30, 2008 (4:56 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 30, 2008 11:39 am)

And they didn't cover it???
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [cooterbfd] by circlew
Nov 30, 2008 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 30, 2008 4:56 pm)

Yes, it was under warranty. The point is it failed and so manyproblems in under 80K miles is not first class product.
 
I purchased a bumper-to-bumper extended warranty just before the original expired and lucky I did. The only thing I was stuck with was the air bag sensor for $600...and the fluids when the A/C compressor was repaired which wasn't covered in the plan.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [cooterbfd] by kdhspyder
Dec 01, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 29, 2008 6:08 pm)

You don't understand the first concept of the economics of capitalism. Greed.
 
'Why would they leave?', gagrice correctly asked. GREED is why they won't leave. Greed and profits are the two basic pillars of capitalism. This country needs at a minimum 10 million new vehicles annually. 12-14 million units is a 'normal' year in this new tighter environment.
 
Any company that has a multi-billion dollar manufacturing presence here and is making $Billions in profits here is not going to just up and leave....except the Detroit 3 which can't seem to exit fast enough. In fact the 'outsiders' are increasing their presence here while the D3 are shrinking their's. Why? There's money to be made here...$Billions!!!
 
As to your other point about the cost of labor, you simply have no idea of what you're talking about. With the current $ vs JY exchange rate the US labor costs are among the lowest among the developed countries.
 
I assume from your parrotted statements that you are a UAW member. Do you realize that one of the key points that the UAW wanted to happen has just occurred? Hmmmm....? It's been pushing for the JY / US$ to trade for less than 100 / 1 for years and years...that's the whole accusation of currency manipulation. Well for the past several months it's been happening. Today it's at 94 / 1.
 
The UAW should be ecstatic....except for the fact that the transplants here generally are not affected by currency issues. US$ are US$.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [andre1969] by kdhspyder
Dec 01, 2008 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 30, 2008 3:05 pm)

I prefer the Malibu's look and definitely the option for the 4 cyl engine which Saturn doesn't offer. Well over 50% if not 75% of midsized autos are 4cyl models. Not to offer one is a decision to marginalize onesself.
 
However... the trunk opening ( or lack thereof ) in the Malibu is a HUGE mistake. It's a big trunk it's just than you can't put anything into it that isn't near flat.
 
Other than that the Malibu is every bit a serious competitor in a very crowded market.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by tired_old_dave
Dec 01, 2008 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 23, 2008 10:41 am)

That '53 Buick - yours?
It seems things get together for me, happened to just read Road & Track January 2009 issue (not mine don't subscribe and can't remember the last time an issue was read). 1953 Buick Skylark Convertible restored and for sale at stableltd.com for $225,000. It's white so not the one I saw almost forty years ago.
 
Another story in the issue at Tech Bits, about Portland, "Are cars desireable in a city? or even necessary?
 
While I have never met Ed Wallace, I will not link his site or the Ft Worth paper. But again this sunday's article has continued to increase my admiration for his expressed opinions.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [tired_old_dave] by steve_ HOST
Dec 01, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Dec 01, 2008 8:06 am)

I learned to drive on the '53 Buick when I was 13. My dad sold it around 1965 to some teenager who promptly wrecked it.
 
The hearing crank up again tomorrow so I guess the Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 01, 2008 8:49 am)

Big 3 will spend today polishing up their testimony as they carpool to DC.
 
Probably in a Maybach or LS460 stretch with bar. They will need to be at least the inebriation level of Ted Kennedy to communicate with the bunch of losers.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [gagrice] by lemko
Dec 01, 2008 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 9:03 am)

Shoot, if the showed up in a Maybach or LS460, I wouldn't give 'em squat because they don't even have faith in their own products to show up in foreign vehicles. To make a statement, Waggoner should come in a Malibu, Mulally in a Fusion, and the Chrysler guy, (don't know who he is) should come in one of their minivans.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [gagrice] by xrunner2
Dec 01, 2008 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 9:03 am)

Probably in a Maybach or LS460 stretch with bar.
 
That's class, and chutspah. Can one imagine the media going nuts over this. The CEOs upon questioning could say that they have confidence that someday their corps can build cars of these distinctions.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [lemko] by gagrice
Dec 01, 2008 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 01, 2008 9:15 am)

I would say it will be the corporate jets. The Big 3 asked the FAA not to post their travel or tracking. If it was me I would cram all three into an Aveo to see what the masses will be stuck driving.

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