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Give it up [imidazol97] by gagrice
Nov 30, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 30, 2008 6:45 am)

Giving praise where it is due.
 
My GMC dealer sent me coupons for free lube and oil changes on the GMC PU I bought from them. I never spent a penny on service the year and a half I owned that truck. By contrast the Toyota dealer across the street from GMC where I bought my Sequoia charged nearly $60 for the 5000 mile oil change. They used cheapo 30 weight dyno oil. Synthetic would have added $70 to the price. I will probably change to synthetic at 10k miles. I will do it myself for that kind of rip-off price. VW only charged me $53 for my Passat TDI and it was very specialized oil. I would rate Toyota service near the bottom. With Lexus at the bottom of the pond. Lexus is good till your warranty runs out. If you don't trade-in for a new car they stick the royal knife in you. While our LS400 is a very good car, it was very expensive maintenance until we found a good indy garage.
 
Only time will tell if that changes when GM is gone.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [circlew] by dieselone
Nov 30, 2008 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 30, 2008 7:19 am)

Funny, all the parts that failed in my wife's 2003 Yukon had nothing to do with maintenance. $3,600 and counting.
  
Air Shock Absorber
MAP Sensor
Power Steering Pump
Air Bag Sensor

 
Sounds like the experience I had with a 00 Suburban, only you haven't gotten to the expensive parts yet;) A/C compressors and transmissions dieing at an early age certainly get your attention when paying the bill. Horrid fit n' finish and rattles are the icing on the cake.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [lemko] by mediapusher
Nov 30, 2008 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 29, 2008 8:02 am)

Puhleeez , have you seen GM's styling lately? You call that styling?
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [circlew] by cooterbfd
Nov 30, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 30, 2008 7:19 am)

I'll give you the bottom 3, but shock absorbers, even if they are air shocks, ARE routine maintenance. I just put 2 in my Ultra. Grand total, $78.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [mediapusher] by cooterbfd
Nov 30, 2008 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: mediapusher (Nov 30, 2008 8:52 am)

Better than Toyota's, with that T looking like a zit that needs to be popped in the middle of the forehead.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [cooterbfd] by dieselone
Nov 30, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 30, 2008 9:06 am)

I just put 2 in my Ultra. Grand total, $78.
 
Hmm, I've never known anyone who repaired an active type air suspension for $78, unless you yanked out the air shocks for regular shocks. Which may or may not also require a spring change.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [dieselone] by cooterbfd
Nov 30, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 9:10 am)

It may be a simple set up, but the shocks were $78 for the pair, all I had to do was hook up the air lines to the new shocks.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [dieselone] by circlew
Nov 30, 2008 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 7:41 am)

Damned! Forgot the A/C Compressor. Yes, that failed at 55K miles!!!!!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [cooterbfd] by circlew
Nov 30, 2008 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 30, 2008 9:06 am)

The shock absorber was at 3,000 miles in 2003!!!!!!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [nippononly] by andre1969
Nov 30, 2008 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 30, 2008 12:03 am)

I had a chance to check these two out at the auto show this weekend, and whoa! The new Malibu is an absolute carbon copy of the Aura! I hope these two have different engines (although I don't think they do) or chassis tweaks or SOMETHING to distinguish them, because otherwise this is a blatant case of rebadging (admittedly rebadging a very good car - the Opel Vectra) which I thought GM was trying to get away from....
 
There's really no difference in engines on these cars, although the Malibu has a wider variety. It offers the 2.4 4-cyl with a 4-speed automatic or 6-speed auto, a 3.5 OHC V-6 with a 4-speed auto, and the 3.6 DOHC V-6 with the 6-speed auto. Oh, and the hybrid. The Aura only offers the 2.4/6-speed and 3.6/6-speed, and the hybrid.
 
I think the 3.5 V-6 is fleet-only though. And the 2.4/4-speed auto does let the Malibu come in at a cheaper base price. As for the badge-engineering, this is one of those cases where I don't mind it. The cars are at least different enough, style-wise, to have different identities to me. It's not like how Ford or Chrysler would often just change the easy stuff like grille inserts and taillight lenses to come up with a different car.
 
I like the rear of the Aura better than the Malibu. Something about the way the Malibu's tail just ends too flat doesn't sit right with me, and the taillights seem unfinished, somehow. And up front, the grille of the Malibu seems a bit swollen, sort of like a Camry. So with the rebadging, I guess I look at it as GM giving you a choice in style. Same basic car, but some may prefer the Malibu's style to the Aura, and vice versa. In contrast, if you shop for a Camry, Accord, or Altima, you're pretty much stuck with how they look. If you like the style, fine, but if not, you either have to deal with it, or shop elsewhere. I guess the same could hold true for GM though. You might not like the style of the Malibu, Aura, or G6!
 
As for the cupholders, I hadn't noticed. I'll have to check that out the next time I sit in one.

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