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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2008 8:38 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 29, 2008 1:47 pm) I guess my response is so what? There are hundreds of models that are not allowed into the USA also. Some like small PU trucks kept out with our 25% tariff. Some are kept out with crazy safety regs and crash tests. Some are kept out with emission laws that are designed to keep out competition in especially the high mileage cars. We are so far from being a free market here in the USA that we have no right to point fingers at Japan or any other country. Your own statement on go to Bermuda should make you see what we are not allowed to buy here. They have small vans in the rest of the world that get 35 MPG and better. Small very practical PU trucks that get 45 MPG. Much of those restrictions are a result of deals made to protect the Big 3. Even with all the protectionism afforded GM they are not able to make a profit. Let them DIE NOW. Not after we waste another $25 billion.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2008 3:56 pm) Yes, but those regs are meant to protect you and me. Even GM can't sell some of their own products here (Euro cars w/ small diesels). So, in essence those regs hurt our own companies as well. BTW, do you think Japan would allow GM, or any other company to build a plant in Japan???
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 29, 2008 4:08 pm) Why would we want to? It has the most expensive land on earth. The most restrictive laws. GM cannot make money here. What makes you think they could do any better if they tried in Japan. Now Japan is up against Korea and China. At least we have a presence in China. They are going to pass up our buying in just a short few years. There GDP has already passed Japan and Germany. India is just about to pass Japan for the number 3 spot. Your love for America is wonderful. Where were you when we gave away all the Electronics & appliances in the 1960s and 70s? Automobiles are the next to go. We should be thankful that we have some foreign nameplates willing to build in the USA.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2008 4:15 pm) Because that's the only way in. "....Where were you when we gave away all the Electronics & appliances in the 1960s and 70s?" In diapers and Little League. "...We should be thankful that we have some foreign nameplates willing to build in the USA." And when the big 3 go, so will they, as there will be no incentive to remain.
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 29, 2008 8:02 am) Yes, well my father has a 71 Impala, and it still runs pretty good. Still runs good, is about all you can say good about it though. The A/C never did work for very long, and he finally gave up on that. He barely drives it any more, because whenever he does, something else needs fixing. Just finished repairing the exhaust last week. In 2001 he bought a Malibu, against my better judgement, and has had more problems with it in 3 years since the warranty ran out (manifold gaskets, brakes, electrical problems galore), than I had with both my Accords combined over 17 years. I certainly wasn't going to buy a Malibu after his experience. He has now seen the error of his ways, and will not buy another GM car. It takes some people a lot longer to learn. Maybe one day you will get it too. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 29, 2008 4:24 pm) Why would they leave? The Germans, Koreans and Japanese have a US work force that are building good cars at less cost than at home. Within a year we are going to have at least another 12 million once illegal immigrants that will be legal and looking for a job like the Japanese and German car companies are offering. If Ford can get through to the thickheaded UAW that building state of the art manufacturing in the USA is a good thing. I don't think GM has the management that knows how to handle success. It has been too many decades since they were successful. At least 40 years of poor leadership.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 29, 2008 5:01 pm) Where are all the electronics manufacturers??? They don't build them here. No incentive to. They don't have to go home, but they can go where the labor is cheap. That is, unless labor isn't as big a deal as we make it out to be.
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