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Shorting and retired stocks by blzer76
Sep 07, 2008 (1:02 pm)
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So what happens when a stock meets Edmunds 6 month prediction and you short that stock?
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Re: Shorting and retired stocks [blzer76] by networkguy
Sep 07, 2008 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: blzer76 (Sep 07, 2008 1:02 pm)

If you short the stock and it retires higher than what you paid for your short, you incur a loss equal to the number of shares held multiplied by the difference. If it retires at the same price you shorted you break even.
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by blzer76
Sep 07, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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thanks
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Re: [blzer76] by mikedrud
Sep 07, 2008 (7:22 pm)
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Replying to: blzer76 (Sep 07, 2008 3:16 pm)

And conversely, if the stock closes at a price lower than the price at which you shorted it, you will make a profit.
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by soobiedew
Sep 09, 2008 (9:44 am)
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ok I need to jump onto this one. So lets say you short a stock that is currently selling for 45..which means you bought it at 55 and it retires and say 35, which means you get 65 for it?... you make a 10 per stock profit? Did i get that right?
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Re: [mikedrud] by shin107
Sep 09, 2008 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: mikedrud (Sep 07, 2008 7:22 pm)

Mike
What stocks are retiring this month? exactly?
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Re: [shin107] by mikedrud
Sep 09, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: shin107 (Sep 09, 2008 9:46 am)

These stocks will retire this month:
 
2008 BMW 1 Series
2009 Subaru Forester
2009 Hyundai Sonata
2009 Acura TSX
 
A couple of those stocks need their Retire Date updated on their stock pages, but we'll do that later today.
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Re: [soobiedew] by mikedrud
Sep 09, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: soobiedew (Sep 09, 2008 9:44 am)

You got the first half of your reasoning correct. Here you go:
 
You short a stock when it is priced at $45/share
It will say you shorted it and its price was $55/share in your Transaction List, but that just means you got it at $45/share. That is the cover price -- the price at which you break even.
 
If the stock dips to $35/share, then you make $10/share if you cover (buy back what you shorted) or the stock retires at that price and you still have your short position.
 
What's important here is the price at which you shorted the stock. There the inverse of what shows up in your Transaction list is important. Once you figure out that price (in this case it shows up as $55/share, so you shorted the stock at $45/share) and you don't need to apply that to the final stock price: $35/share. No inverse is involved. That's simply the price.
 
To figure out if you are ahead or behind just figure out your short price and compare that to the actual price of the stock.
 
Hope this makes sense.
 
Mike
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Shorting and Monthly Percent Gain by larybak
Sep 09, 2008 (6:44 pm)
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When a stock that you are holding as a short retires, is the short covered as of the day of retire and applied to your account on that day, or does the value of the short apply in the following month?
 
For example, if I am short the BMW 1 Series as of 9/30/2008, does the actual gain apply to my account in September or October (when the actual sales data is available)?
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Re: Shorting and Monthly Percent Gain [larybak] by mikedrud
Sep 12, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: larybak (Sep 09, 2008 6:44 pm)

The value will be added to the previous month, not the new month. It may take a few days to calculate this value for the previous month, but the gains/losses won't go into the new month's tally.

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