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Re: BMW CPO / Negotation [golic] by fezo
Mar 18, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: golic (Mar 18, 2009 8:59 am)

That's about right.
 
Heck, when demand exceeded supply people paid ADM on PT Cruisers!
 
My reading here is that there's no supply problem. I guess the bigger question in how much do these guys want to get the cars off the lots. They might not be in as much of a hurry as you think but until you go talk to them you aren't going to know.
 
I remember years ago getting into a "what I have in it" discussion with a local dealer on of all things a Dodge Colt Vista. He was asking way over book and had a "I need to sell it for this much just to break even" story. Well, I can respect that but if you put that much into a car that can be bought much more cheaply somewhere else that's not good business.
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Re: Trying to buy a RAV4... [wd1811] by boomchek
Mar 18, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: wd1811 (Mar 18, 2009 7:11 am)

Most dealers order packages and colors they think will be most popular and sell fastest.
 
I fyou want a RAV4 optioned exactly as you want, and there's none in the area, then you can place a factory order with the dealer and wait about 2-3 months for the vehicle to arrive.
 
Yes a dealer prefers to sell what's in stock, but will place a factory order for you, with a non refundable deposit of course, if that's what you really want.
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Re: BMW CPO / Negotation [golic] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 18, 2009 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: golic (Mar 18, 2009 8:59 am)

Very good point. Perhaps we can compromise and say that the buyer determines the "extent and limit of the gouge"?
 
And besides, in less we are talking about very exotic or very rare collectible cars, when is the supply REALLY short? It's just an artificial scarcity fueled by hype. When was there ever a new or used car shortage in America since 1950 or so?
 
The "shortage" is merely the pipeline being a little slow.
 
If you wait for a TRULY scarce item to "fill up" it won't happen, but a fake one will soon enough.
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Re: BMW CPO / Negotation [Mr_Shiftright] by boomchek
Mar 18, 2009 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 18, 2009 12:28 pm)

You're right shifty. Today's definition of shortage, in vehicle speak is:
 
If you can't have exactly what you want NOW, like in this second NOW, or if you have to drive more than 15 miles to get it NOW.
 
If you gotta wait a few days, or drive a bit to get it that means shortage.
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Re: BMW CPO / Negotation [boomchek] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 18, 2009 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: boomchek (Mar 18, 2009 12:48 pm)

I was thinking that the buyer sets the market price in the BROAD range of things, over time---not in those "spikes" where there is peak demand. In the latter case, it's every man for himself.
 
The only NEW car maker that I ever witnessed being able to firmly set the market price over a long period of time was Ferrari.
 
And those days are over, too.
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Re: Trying to buy a RAV4... [wd1811] by clarencehollow
Mar 18, 2009 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: wd1811 (Mar 18, 2009 7:11 am)

I hope you realize the RAV4 can only have either 2 or 5 passengers! The rear seat does not split! if that's okay, also avoid the Sport RAV4. Why? Well those run flat tires are a one time use and are very expensive to replace (over $500).. and if you're traveling and you get a flat - be prepared to be camping in that spot for a few days while a Toyota dealer orders one, gets it in, then installs it for you. I'd suggest looking at the Nissan Rogue.
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Re: BMW CPO / Negotation [boomchek] by explorerx4
Mar 18, 2009 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: boomchek (Mar 17, 2009 2:31 pm)

my post was the next one after your's, but i'm glad we were thinking the same thing about the 'offer prices'.
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Re: Trying to buy a RAV4... [clarencehollow] by sbell4
Mar 19, 2009 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: clarencehollow (Mar 18, 2009 1:17 pm)

------this post was brought to you by Nissan Motor Corp and the Anti Runflat Tire Association.
 
by the way, the rear seats in the Rav4 do split.
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Re: Trying to buy a RAV4... [boomchek] by oldfarmer50
Mar 19, 2009 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: boomchek (Mar 18, 2009 9:47 am)

"...a dealer prefers to sell what's in stock, but will place a factory order for you..."
 
Not where I live. My experience is that a dealer would rather be tied to an ant hill and covered in honey than order a car from the factory.
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Re: Trying to buy a RAV4... [oldfarmer50] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Mar 19, 2009 (3:13 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Mar 19, 2009 3:07 pm)

I bet if it were paid for up front, fully optioned, and he could sell at MSRP, he would! But yeah, a stripped Aveo, no....nor would I.

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