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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 26, 2009 10:20 am) Case in point: I was looking at a very clean used car that had no record of a timing belt change, and had a small rip in the convertible top and tires nearing the end of their life. Well, that's a total of $1,800 right off the top and I hadn't even driven it yet!! And yet the advert mentioned none of this. Is this car comparable to a similar car with a good top, good tires and service records? Not at all. But the price guide prices them the same. |
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Replying to: lilelvis (Jan 25, 2009 6:31 pm) I wonder as well. I bought a used car for 18% off asking price once. The salesman was trying to club me and wouldn't go lower than about 15%. I called with my final offer and talked to the SM on a day the salesman wasn't there. He immediately met my price. The eagerness of his acceptance suggested that there was more money on the table but at that point I had made a commitment to buy. I can't help but wonder how much more was there. My guess is 20-30%.
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Replying to: maennj (Jan 25, 2009 9:04 pm) If they didn't have the car you wanted you could have left and went to a dealer that has your exact car. Nobody made you buy a more expensive car. You should have confirmed the lease mileage before the contract was written up. It is a considerable factor that would affect the overall figures on any lease. The manager should have not cancelled the contract when you were complaining about the salesperson. However the manager will not bring in a salesperson and make him publicly apoligize to a customer. Disciplinary action is done behind the scenes. The "excuse" of having the main or co applicant applicant as an insurer of the car, is not an excuse, but a rule that many car companies go by. Just because Honda didn't require of that, it doesn't mean that Toyota or another bank will be the same. Typically both a buyer, and co buyer have to be on the contract and both have to be on the insurance. A credit score is not the only thing banks look at. They also look at trade lines, and how much money is owed on all of the accounts. The reason the numbers changed could have been because your co-signer had too much debt load. Wasn't your co signer with you during the process? Inventory..... once again you say they made you buy a cheaper car but then you bought the more expensive car because they didn't have the cheaper car?  The transaction should have went like this: You go in, pick the car, the color, the option, the price/payments. Do a credit application with your co signer. Once everything is good take the car home. OR if you have bad credit: Go in and get pre approved. Find out how much you qualify for. The dealer would give you a choice of cars to choose from that fit your approval. You pick the car that you like, go over payments, and sign and drive away. I believe this was a result of a lousy dealer dealing with an unreasonable customer. Yes, I believe that there is more to this than it is written here. I believe you stayed that long because you had a list of offers from other dealers. Wouldn't you consider getting those offers as wasting their time? You didn't even go to a dealer that gave you the best offer. You went somehwere else (to this lousy dealer) to get the best offer beaten. That's what wasted your 5 hours. You did by negotiating from the start. There's not much you can do other than find the dealer that originally gave you the best price and go buy there. Good luck. |
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Replying to: maennj (Jan 25, 2009 9:04 pm) You want a fast service with a smile - let a dealer make a profit. You want to grind - be ready to get thrown out the door. If you had lower offers from other dealers - why didn't you go there? "You thought it was 15K miles" is not enough a reason for the to give it to you for free, it's no one's fault you weren't clear on what you want. If I had a customer that is moaning and bitching for 5 hours - I wouldn't want to sell him a car either, and we vave the right to refuse service to anyone. You don't like that - complain to your congressman.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 25, 2009 7:00 pm) Oh yeah, most dealerships would take that in a heartbeat. They'd also probably take $10.5k without much of a fight. Okay, figure 5-10%. That's way too low shifty. On a 4 year old car, which is typically what your numbers would be referencing on a $12,000 car , you should be looking at 15-20% off asking price. There would be very little re-conditioning of a car that old (young).
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 26, 2009 10:32 am) Good for you that you made the deal. But, can't help wonder how the salesperson felt about the SM taking part of his commission. After all, it was probably the SM that was rejecting your 18% off offer all along, while the salesperson was acting the middle man and doing all the work trying to get it to 15%.
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Replying to: jipster (Jan 26, 2009 12:08 pm) |
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i have been doing reseach on buying a new car for myself and i came across a site that had said if a dealer charges you dealer prep fees and they dont drop them go somewhere else because that is a way they are trying to get more money. i asked a dealer if they could drop that fee and they told me it is illegal for them to do that. is this true? how come some people say they got it dropped but its posed to be illegal? was the dealer just telling me anything?
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Replying to: micosilver (Jan 26, 2009 10:49 am) Do you realize what they did ? I gave them an offer as soon as I entered, I even spoke with them over the internet before I came in. The freakin guy said come to our showroom we have what you want!!!! The minute I came in the guy started playing game and he said because I don't have credit history, he DOUBLED my down payment from $4,000 to $8,000 (even though I told him about the limited credit over the internet). I told him this is really unreasonable. Then he says, I'll be back and he spends half an hour with his friends back there then come back to change the numbers, just like he's playing a game. Every time he just decreases like 5 dollars of the monthly price. He's freaking time waster NOT ME!!!. Finally,When I told him I'll bring a co-applicant he said OK. I wrote my offer details on a paper and signed it. He added "OK IF CO-APPLICANT HAS SCORE MORE THAN 700". Guess what ? After he the ran credit check. The co-applicant passed the requirement and then the salesperson gave me different price. He said I'll give you your price on the cheaper trim. No offense, don't say I'm grinding before you read and understand the whole post. And since when the customer wants to waste 5 hours of his day ? I never seen salesperson do his job efficiently and fast. All salespersons waste time too much on one customer and they always get one deal or less per day.It's THEIR JOB to waste time.
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Replying to: jessica873 (Jan 26, 2009 2:27 pm) The easiest way is to negotiate an out the door price, meaning with all taxes and fees included. |
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