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Re: My Insight came today and my Fit left. [dweiser] by lucien4
Mar 27, 2009 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: dweiser (Mar 27, 2009 5:47 pm)

With most Hybrids you get lower mpg in the break-in period. So that should improve. Pity they don't have audio control buttons on steering wheel with the EX without Navi (in Europe they do). I can definitely see that it takes some time getting used to a Hybrid coming from the non-Hybrid Fit. Imagine previous gen Hybrids had even less road feel (e.g. Prius I...). I had no trouble getting used to drive Civic Hybrid.
 
According to the manual it should play MP3/WMA/AAC from USB (EX). Do you have an LX? In that case I guess you have to resort using data CD (which can play both MP3/WMA). Or there's also an auxiliary input jack that might be an option.
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Both the Fit and the Insight play MP3s lucien4 by dweiser
Mar 28, 2009 (2:15 am)
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I see my last sentence was confusing. I can listen to my MP#s with my Sandisk thumb USB device plugged in. I could in my Fit Sport and I can in my Insight EX. I wasn't very clear about that. I should have said something like, I have enjoyed listening to my MP3s (with the random selection - like shuffle on an iPOD) so much in the Fit & the Insight that I'll never own another vehicle (in the future) that doesn't have that functionality. I owned a $100,000 Porsche 911 C4 not long ago and it didn't play MP3s AND the Random playback had to be RE-SET every time the car was started! Give me a break!! I joked my $15,000 Honda Element had a more sophisticated audio than my $100,000 Porsche! Sorry for being so long-winded.
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Re: Both the Fit and the Insight play MP3s lucien4 [dweiser] by lucien4
Mar 28, 2009 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: dweiser (Mar 28, 2009 2:15 am)

Ah got it. Thanks for the review by the way:-). Keep us updated on the mileage.
So far I've heard from someone else he got 52mpg on the highway on his test drive but real-world conditions can vary and the average mpg can be quite different.
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Re: My Insight came today and my Fit left. [dweiser] by dbostondriver
Mar 28, 2009 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: dweiser (Mar 27, 2009 5:47 pm)

Thanks for the update. Pretty amazing that there is finally a Hybrid for the masses. Hopefully they will sell a ton.
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Outrageous price they're asking by bmoore1
Mar 28, 2009 (9:21 pm)
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I test drove one today in SoCal (Miller Honda on Van Nuys). Nice car. Pretty zippy to drive. Loads of room in the front. A bit cramped in back. The materials are slightly cheap inside. The look outside is great. Very sleek.
 
The only problem was the price... they were asking $3,500 above MSRP. The sales guy said it was a premium because they'd only gotten five and already sold 3. He didn't expect the premium to decrease any time soon.
 
His boss confirmed their strategy of raising the price although he said maybe they could lower it "a little bit." He said the Priuses also were selling for above MSRP as a point of comparison.
 
I was kinda turned off at that point. I see that carsdirect.com also quotes the sticker price. $3.5K premium? That's over 15% of the car.
 
Another potential buyer who was also looking had the exact same reaction.
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Re: Outrageous price they're asking [bmoore1] by kyfdx HOST
Mar 29, 2009 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: bmoore1 (Mar 28, 2009 9:21 pm)

The Prius isn't selling above MSRP... Heck, Toyota even has a $1000 rebate on it!
 
New models in short supply always go for a premium.... If you have to be the first one on the block, then you'll pay that premium...
 
I'd rather wait 6 months and pay $4000 less, personally..
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Don't pay a premium by dweiser
Mar 29, 2009 (6:41 am)
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Go to Honda's web site and do a dealer locate with 100 or so miles. Email each of them telling them what you want (color, model, etc.) and ask them to email you their best price. That's how to shop vehicles today. and get your best price. If they won't play ball, expand your search. Host is right, on a new car with limited supply, they can and do ask a premium BUT with this economy, they should be happy just to sell you a vehicle. In my search for my Insight (delivered Friday) one candid salesperson confessed it was almost the end of the month and she'd sold just one Honda!
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Link to some pics I took today by dweiser
Mar 29, 2009 (5:04 pm)
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I hope I'm not breaking some kind of rule here and not sure if this will even work but worth a try.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/570741185XOUgIu
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Re: Link to some pics I took today [dweiser] by pf_flyer HOST
Mar 30, 2009 (3:11 am)
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Replying to: dweiser (Mar 29, 2009 5:04 pm)

An easy place to post your pictures is on your CarSpace page albums. If you haven't set up your CarSpace page yet, it's really easy. Just click on the My CarSpace link near the top left of this page.
 
If you have any questions about setting it up, just click on my username and send me an email and I'll be glad to help you out.
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Insight drive & comparison with Fit by 204meca
Mar 31, 2009 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Mar 30, 2009 3:11 am)

After driving a 2009 Fit 2 months ago, I have been very eager to get behind the wheel of the new Insight. I noticed one Insight on the local Honda store lot today & stopped on in. I really like the look both outside & in - it has a sharp sporty look that is much much better in person than pictures. I drove an EX for about 6 miles. It has typical Honda tauntness to it, but the ride is quite & comfortable and quiet for a small car. The interior is not real spacious, but again comfortable (I am not a large guy -5' 8", 155 lbs). Rear seat is tight for head space & shoulder space. Hatch reasonably spacious. The height adjustable front seat is a nice plus & the fit & finish was good. It drives very smoothly in either regular or Eco mode. Acceleration was more than adequate for our local traffic with the CVT provides its typical odd feeling with no shifts points. That said I had a Civic HX with CVT & currently have an A4 with CVT & I love the CVT's smoothness. I found it very easy to keep up with the light traffic & keep the speedo in the green band which indicated outstanding fuel economy. It would probably feel a iffy in big city rush hour traffic. The car cruised very smoothly & quietly on the freeway at 65 in eco mode. I am suprpised to say that I think this could be a very comfortable car for long distance travel.
 
My main negative finding was with the front seat; it just did not hit me right. When I initially got in the seat, there was some uncomfortable pressure on my thighs from the bottom edge of the front seat (too high) and the lumbar support (too high & too firm). During the test drive, I did not notice lumbar discomfort, but did notice thigh discomfort. Interestingly, although the seats are supposedly the same on the LX & EX, when I sat briefly in the LX, I didn't feel the same pressure, but that was only a minute of seat time. Obviously the feel of the front seat is a very individual thing depending on one's body conformation, but for me, it may be a deal breaker.
 
In comparison to my test drive of a Fit a month ago. The Fit is not as comfortable as the Insight, but it easily wins in the handling and spacious departments.
 
Most likely I will buy either a Fit or Insight in the next year. I calculated how long it would take to make up for the extra $4,400 cost (MSRP) of the hybrid assuming that I would drive it about 9K miles/ year & that be able to get 15 more mpg with the Insight. Alas it looks like it would take about 16 years with fuel at $3/gallon, and about 8 years if it goes to $6.gallon to make up the $4,400 difference. So the payback time & the seat comfort may force me to settle for the Fit. The dealer will let me take either car home for an overnight & if I found that the Insight's seat worked with my body, it would be a much harder decision.
 
I found it curious that even though they had 9 Fits on the lot, they all had a $2K "adjusted market value" sticker. I am certain that this is there for the few naive customers that come in & don't dicker. Believe it or not it happens. 20 years ago , my mother drove by an Oldsmobile dealer, saw a car that caught her fancy & walked in and bought it with no questions asked. Last fall another acquaintance decided to get a Hyundai Accent. Before the dealer was done with her she paid over $4,000 more than the sticker -- and they had about 15 other Accents on the lot! So, it works for the dealer at times. That said, my salesguy readily admitted that they could get a way with the mark up when gas was over $4 /gallon & they could not keep Fits on the lot. Now, they will deal.
 
In summary I could happily live with either the car. Overall I prefer the Insight over the Fit due to appeance and ride comfort. I plan to keep watching the forums and eventually have one or the other in my garage.

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