Article Comments - 2009 Ford Fiesta First Drive and Full Test

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First Drive: 2009 Ford Fiesta - First Impressions: Small European cars haven't made much of an impression in America before, but the Fiesta might be different.(more)

2009 Ford Fiesta Titanium Full Test and Video - Bottom Line: We're crossing our fingers (and toes) that Ford doesn't stray too far from this winning combination of style, performance and efficiency when the 2011 Ford Fiesta finally arrives in 2010. (more)

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#71 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [dodgeman07] by jeffyscott Sep 13, 2009 (4:57 pm)
Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 13, 2009 11:30 am) I don't think the new CAFE standards do what you think they do. First of all CAFE mpg is not the same as EPA mpg. I think the new standard is 35 mpg, not 39, and 35 mpg as measured for CAFE purposes is maybe equivalent to 27 or 28 mpg as measured by EPA. Secondly, my understanding was that the new standards actually vary depending on the size of the vehicle. As indicated here: http://jalopnik.com/5265996/ballyhoed-new-cafe-standards-riddled-with-hummer+siz- ed-loopholes "the actual MPG or CO2 "standard" for every manufacturer will vary depending on what they build. Footprint-based means the amount of CO2 emitted and the level of fuel economy will vary depending on the vehicles wheelbase multiplied by its track width." Replies to this message: dodgeman07 (Sep 13, 2009 5:28 pm)
#72 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [jeffyscott] by dodgeman07 Sep 13, 2009 (5:28 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 13, 2009 4:57 pm) You are correct that CAFE mpg vs EPA mpg are two different animals. Current passenger car fleets now average 27mpg per 2009 CAFE. Combined passenger car AND light truck fleets are to average 35mpg by 2016. 39mpg is for passenger cars only. Yes there are loopholes, but tentative requirements are for a 5% per year efficiency increase through 2016. President Obama has barely touched this issue to date. 2010 will be different. The CAFE standards will have a dramatic impact on New vehicles sold in U.S. very soon. The days of the V8 powered passenger car are nearly over.
#73 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [jeffyscott] by puffin1 Sep 14, 2009 (4:19 am)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 12, 2009 12:16 pm) Jeff, although I find you quite knowlegeabe,I have to disagree. We are, or will become a huge consumer of small cars. I think subcompacts, and compacts. I just checked out the Scion XD 1.8 liter and it was tricked out cold air intakeTRD shifter,performance pkg, etc; for $ 22k and if had a sunroof, it would of been my Home Depot car.(base price $15080.00) Don't forget gas is cheap now, but not for long. Also, cheaper and more cargo capacity for heated seat$ 800.00. So I'm talkin $22,800 and a comparable Mini is $24,800.00 If you can fine me a 2 door HB with all the bells and whistles for 23k I'd appreciate it. Maybe a V Dub, cause I don't see any American car company doing it. Thanks and keep up the research. Replies to this message: jeffyscott (Sep 14, 2009 5:54 am) dodgeman07 (Sep 14, 2009 12:57 pm) nippononly (Sep 15, 2009 6:46 am) and 1 more...
#74 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [puffin1] by jeffyscott Sep 14, 2009 (5:54 am)
Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 14, 2009 4:19 am) Of course you can push the price to $22K+. Apparently one can even get the MSRP of a Hyundai Accent to $18-19K, that does not mean that most or many people are going there. All I am saying is that most buyers have not been interested in a subcompact at that price level and I do not see that changing, I guess we will have to wait and see if it does. $20 or 22K is certainly currently far above what the typical buyer of these small cars has been paying for them. This article: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-05-28-small-car-prices-SUVs_N.htm reports that subcompacts were selling for an average $14,217 as of about 1.5 years ago. To get back to the topic, I will predict that the Fiesta will feature a base price of no more than $13,xxx and I will be very surprised if it starts above $15K, let alone above $16K as Edmunds has predicted. Replies to this message: dodgeman07 (Sep 14, 2009 12:57 pm) nippononly (Sep 15, 2009 6:46 am) puffin1 (Sep 18, 2009 4:45 pm)
#75 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [jeffyscott] by dodgeman07 Sep 14, 2009 (12:57 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 14, 2009 5:54 am) Yes - back to the Fiesta. I'm looking forward to driving one next year and the 5-door hatch looks good in photos. The sedan not so much. As for pricing I'd guess Ford will bring in a "low tier" base model under $15K. Probably $14,XXX plus destination so they can offer a $14,900 entry price. Then again I thought Honda would keep the Insight under $19K and I missed on that one. Honda went too high, too soon on the Insight but the exchange rates also forced their hand somewhat. Replies to this message: nippononly (Sep 15, 2009 6:46 am) puffin1 (Sep 18, 2009 4:45 pm)
#76 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [dodgeman07] by nippononly Sep 15, 2009 (6:46 am)
Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 14, 2009 12:57 pm) You and I are of the same mind. I figure $14,995 for a base model Fiesta with a stick. And at that price, in this market, a power package and Sync had better be standard. ABS and ESC will be mandated by the time this hits the market, so those will be in the base price as well. That leaves room to add combinations of leather, a sport package, a moonroof, or a luxury package with auto climate, radar-cruise, NAV, whatever, and keep the price under $20K. Maybe $22K for every option including NAV plus an automatic. Replies to this message: puffin1 (Sep 18, 2009 4:45 pm)
#77 of 91 Re: two tiers of "B" cars [nippononly] by puffin1 Sep 18, 2009 (4:45 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Sep 15, 2009 6:46 am) no disrespect,but i don't see that happening.
#78 of 91 Beyond competitive by urbc Sep 19, 2009 (6:29 am)
It will be priced along the other cars in the segment. However the Fiesta will offer more options, and superior engineering. I'd have to say I'm impressed with mine. http://www.carspace.com/blogs/MYFIESTA/ Replies to this message: puffin1 (Sep 23, 2009 5:08 am) iamz (Sep 23, 2009 11:26 am) puffin1 (Sep 24, 2009 6:50 am) and 1 more...
#79 of 91 Re: Beyond competitive [urbc] by puffin1 Sep 23, 2009 (5:08 am)
Replying to: urbc (Sep 19, 2009 6:29 am) On MSN web page the ten best mini and sub compacts coming to the USA weere listed the Fiesta wasn't mentoined or shown.. WED.9/23 Replies to this message: iamz (Sep 23, 2009 11:26 am) puffin1 (Sep 24, 2009 6:50 am) eldaino2 (Sep 24, 2009 7:50 am)
#80 of 91 Re: Beyond competitive [puffin1] by iamz Sep 23, 2009 (11:26 am)
Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 23, 2009 5:08 am) Is your point that the people that put together that list are idiots? If it is, you're right. Replies to this message: puffin1 (Sep 24, 2009 6:50 am) eldaino2 (Sep 24, 2009 7:50 am)