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Hatchbacks Ford Fiesta Article Comments - 2009 Ford Fiesta First Drive and Full Test
91 messages, Last post on Nov 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM
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Replying to: homerkc (Sep 12, 2009 6:17 am) Times are certainly a changin' and a high-end, 100cu.ft. vehicle has buyers and profit potential at $22K. I hope Detroit can deliver because the Asians and Europeans will be..... 
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 12, 2009 11:36 am) http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byEPAclass.htm But I don't expect that to be the Fiesta target. I don't think there really is much of a market for $22K subcompacts in the US.
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 12, 2009 12:16 pm) CAFE will force this to occur and dozens are currently in the works.
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 13, 2009 12:44 am)  . CAFE does not force anyone to buy and certainly does not force anyone to pay premium prices for subcompacts. In fact, it has caused manufacturers to sell small cars at a loss in the past. The new CAFE is structured differently, I believe, but I'm not really familiar with the details.
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 13, 2009 9:58 am) ================================================== $20K plus. Some over $25K. They're on the way now and with passenger vehicle fleets required by law to average 39mpg within 6 years AND maintain future safety requirements, many will be high-end subcompact models topping out over $30K. It's not a maybe. It's the next generation of U.S. passenger vehicles that are on the way now.
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 13, 2009 11:30 am) First of all CAFE mpg is not the same as EPA mpg. I think the new standard is 35 mpg, not 39, and 35 mpg as measured for CAFE purposes is maybe equivalent to 27 or 28 mpg as measured by EPA. Secondly, my understanding was that the new standards actually vary depending on the size of the vehicle. As indicated here: http://jalopnik.com/5265996/ballyhoed-new-cafe-standards-riddled-with-hummer+siz- ed-loopholes "the actual MPG or CO2 "standard" for every manufacturer will vary depending on what they build. Footprint-based means the amount of CO2 emitted and the level of fuel economy will vary depending on the vehicles wheelbase multiplied by its track width."
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 13, 2009 4:57 pm) Yes there are loopholes, but tentative requirements are for a 5% per year efficiency increase through 2016. President Obama has barely touched this issue to date. 2010 will be different. The CAFE standards will have a dramatic impact on New vehicles sold in U.S. very soon. The days of the V8 powered passenger car are nearly over. |
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 12, 2009 12:16 pm) We are, or will become a huge consumer of small cars. I think subcompacts, and compacts. I just checked out the Scion XD 1.8 liter and it was tricked out cold air intakeTRD shifter,performance pkg, etc; for $ 22k and if had a sunroof, it would of been my Home Depot car.(base price $15080.00) Don't forget gas is cheap now, but not for long. Also, cheaper and more cargo capacity for heated seat$ 800.00. So I'm talkin $22,800 and a comparable Mini is $24,800.00 If you can fine me a 2 door HB with all the bells and whistles for 23k I'd appreciate it. Maybe a V Dub, cause I don't see any American car company doing it. Thanks and keep up the research.
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Replying to: puffin1 (Sep 14, 2009 4:19 am) All I am saying is that most buyers have not been interested in a subcompact at that price level and I do not see that changing, I guess we will have to wait and see if it does. $20 or 22K is certainly currently far above what the typical buyer of these small cars has been paying for them. This article: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-05-28-small-car-prices-SUVs_N.htm reports that subcompacts were selling for an average $14,217 as of about 1.5 years ago. To get back to the topic, I will predict that the Fiesta will feature a base price of no more than $13,xxx and I will be very surprised if it starts above $15K, let alone above $16K as Edmunds has predicted.
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Sep 14, 2009 5:54 am) As for pricing I'd guess Ford will bring in a "low tier" base model under $15K. Probably $14,XXX plus destination so they can offer a $14,900 entry price. Then again I thought Honda would keep the Insight under $19K and I missed on that one.  Honda went too high, too soon on the Insight but the exchange rates also forced their hand somewhat.
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