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#9697 of 9706 Re: Chrysler 300 diesel???? [steve_]
Jun 17, 2013 (9:55 pm)
I wanted to like the Liberty CRD. Drove one in Hawaii. Just too many issues. Poorly executed. Especially the emissions crap. The EU owners loved them. I hope they have better engineering on the new JGC diesel. Not sure if the GC diesel from a few years ago was much good. The key is adblue to satisfy the NoX emissions.
#9698 of 9706 Re: Chrysler 300 diesel???? [gagrice]
Jun 18, 2013 (10:27 am)
On another road WELL traveled, here is a link to the 400,000 miles "club"(VW TDI's). The one that caught my eye was the 560,000 miles msg, #'s 20/21. He seemingly gets 50-55 mpg. Now that makes my 50 mpg a "poseur"
less than 200,000 miles, my 03 VW Jetta TDI is the proverbial PUPPY.
#9699 of 9706 Truth in Advertising!
Jun 18, 2013 (11:36 am)
I am a former Grand Cherokee owner (1999 Laredo V8), so I tend to pay attention to it's advertising. The ad says "The Best of What Were Made of"
Well, it's made of a Mercedes ML class, which means the best of what it is made of isn't made by Jeep or Chrysler, which I kind of suspected all along.
Chrysler needs to stop getting bailed out by other manufacturers and then sell whatever comes out of the deal. I know they had to marry Fiat to stay afloat, but thoughts of a Fiat merged with a Dodge (Dart) doesn't exactly conjure up thoughts of reliability. I know. I had a 1979 Fiat Strada
What does any of this have to do with Diesels? I really thin the 2014 GC Diesel is a great vehicle. It is absolutely gorgeous. I just have heard nightmares about the 2011 to 2013 models and it seems that quality still eludes Jeep. It was the same with my 1999. I loved the way it looked and it drove like a dream. With the V8 it was a tall AWD muscle car that my wife and kids could fit it comfortably. Every repair bill was $1000. Owning it was like owning a boat Bust Out Another Thousand.
So, Chrysler has work to do. They better come up with entirely new product line from the ground up, make it modern, attractive, and RELIABLE.
#9700 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [cski]
Jun 18, 2013 (12:01 pm)
I agree the 2014 Jeep GC is a good looking vehicle. I was real excited to give them a shot. I just don't think extending the date they are due at the dealers is a good sign. I was not aware of the issues with the recent JGC models. Also the way they handled the problems with the last diesels does not give me a lot of confidence either. To get the same features in the JGC as the Mercedes gets the OTD price over $60k.
#9701 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [cski]
Jun 18, 2013 (12:24 pm)
I am sure that at some future point, the real story about the MB/Chrysler merger/ break up will see the light of day. It is not like MB and other oems (like VW) do not deal with unions labor and state/ union ownerships.
European oems are facing very BLEAK European sales prospects, due to a host of reasons. The WSJ articles that I have read has difficulties seeing beyond 2014, 2015 and 2016 (reduced to poor sales) Of 100 European auto assembly plants, one article said that fully 35 are hemorrhaging massive amounts of money. The good spin on one article says words to the effect that yearly sales of 12 M appear to be "bottoming".
As shaky as the American markets have been and remain, nonetheless it is seen as a bright spot, currently. So really both sides (Fiat/Chrysler may have been though EACH was the savior when in fact each are the desperate save'ees.
#9702 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [cski]
Jun 18, 2013 (12:49 pm)
The ad says "The Best of What Were Made of"
Does it really say that? Geez..they didn't even spell We're right
My friend in the city says he just doesn't see Darts down there. Except at the dealer's lot, haha In a way I am not surprised...they screwed up a few things at least. First..the 1st ones out (the turbos) called for premium gas when Ford and GM says 87 is ok. That hurt them right there. Second, they are not coming nearly as close to EPA as GM's Cruze does, so that's another biggy. (edit) meant to say that I suspect this could be related to their amendment saying that, apparently, 87 can be used now. I bet they just altered the ECU by massaging a few adjustments here and there but basically retarding the timing to avoid pre-detonation, which of course is mileage killer. Third, the more affordable car..the one that is advertised as the cheap lowest Sugg Retail whenever they invest in a TV or newspaper ad, is with the base car whose engine is not as good as GM's base 1.8 NA engine. Fourth, Dart's one up from base NA engine is not know to be all that great engine...rough, loud, raspy..so they really haven't done a very good job on a few counts. It is a really good looking car though. I prefer it better than the Cruze. As for Ford, well they're of off in troubled Ecoboost clouds of denial, so don't even offer a NA base engine. Plus after my recent afternoon checking them all out, they are just so incredibly inferior to even Chrysler..(again, IMO of course) so that sure isn't saying much for them..
Even the Fiat 500, is a night and day better car than the Fiesta..just sit in both back-to-back.
And of course we know that Chrysler is already starting to embrace offering more diesels. Athough that said, while I like the look of the JGC very much...it has at least two big strikes against it, IMO. The new V6 is seems to be a bit thirsty from anything I have read so far...and especially when you compare it to a GLK..even tho I know it is a bit unfair due to size, if you raced them both up a hill tho with 5 passengers...is where the comparo would come back into focus again I bet..
With JGC, you sure are paying a lot for that low range transfer case..
now if the JGC actually had the MB engine too..that would probably instill a LOT more confidence in it...just ask any Liberty owner their thoughts on that..
#9703 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [ruking1]
Jun 18, 2013 (12:44 pm)
That and the more restrictive EU emission standards due in Sept of 14, should bode well for variety in export to NA.
#9704 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [gimmestdtranny]
Jun 18, 2013 (1:01 pm)
Even the gas "sipping" Honda has been having mpg "challenges". Normally auto car suits are more class action, where the class action lawyers and the regulators keep the action alive and maybe throw consumers a bone. (if you experienced a 10,000 loss from xyz auto maker, fill this 20 page form to be eligible for a $100 gift card at MC' DEES)
Honda a year or so ago lost a small claims court case (10,000 I believe, I am not sure of the current SCC maximums) with obviously broad implications. (I am not sure that precedence takes a precedence here) Because of the broad implications, I think the greater powers that be, THEN moved to shut down the abilities of broader numbers of folks to get auto oem "justice" in small claims court.
#9705 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jun 18, 2013 (1:05 pm)
Honda turned around and won that small claims case on appeal. Might have cost them some sales though. (link)
#9706 of 9706 Re: Truth in Advertising! [Stever@Edmunds]
Jun 18, 2013 (1:23 pm)
As you would agree, more was at stake than this plaintiffs (I understand the plaintiff is in real life a... lawyer) day in court and "justice" or lack there of.
I also saw a post in the local traffic section of our local rag by some Prius owners citing 44 mpg (this area) in response to some "electrical plug in" cultists' assertion that plug in is damn near free".
I thought that was refreshing. So for example if I am getting 41/42 in a 2009 Jetta TDI, I am happy with my choice and cheaper price tag !