Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350

152 messages, Last post on Jun 06, 2009 at 1:45 PM

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Comparison Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 - Hyundai isn't shy about its targets for the Genesis. "While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Lexus ES, Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS," the company stated in a press release about the car's pricing, "Genesis' performance capabilities and luxury features are comparable to sedans costing tens of thousands of dollars more." (more)

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#93 of 152 Re: [adamjmank] by joe97 Sep 12, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: adamjmank (Sep 12, 2008 7:31 am) What he posted isn't wrong but how he interpreted the data is very misleading. One cm does not equal one in. but he's using that exactly logic to claim somehow the 3.5L has the same displacment as a 3.8L. Read tayl0rd's post, he has in more details.
#94 of 152 Re: [adamjmank] by joe97 Sep 12, 2008 (3:56 pm)
Replying to: adamjmank (Sep 12, 2008 12:04 pm) While I'd agree w/ you the majority of the luxury buyers probably won't have the Genesis sedan in mind, especially from the German competitors, that doesn't mean there is no one. Actually, in good amounts, as indicated from the number of sales Hyundai has made in the first few months, even without full supply of units. I've also spoken with a good number of owners in this segment, and you'd be surprised to hear how many cross-shopped the Genesis, and those ending up with one. I'd bet you didn't know the Genesis outsold the RL in its very first month, and creeping into GS terriorty, which isn't great in the first place, at least for Toyota standards. The Genesis has already sold more units, a lot more, than the whole run the Phaeton had in the US. PS: what's SLK doing in there? Replies to this message: adamjmank (Sep 12, 2008 5:37 pm) tom17 (Sep 12, 2008 6:49 pm) joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:20 pm) and 19 more... joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:13 pm)
#95 of 152 Re: [joe97] by adamjmank Sep 12, 2008 (5:37 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 3:56 pm) Well shouldn't the sales of genesis be compared with the sales of sedans in its price range. Than comparing with an RL which is priced way above. I for sure know an RL's Nav touch screen is far superior to any in its class Its like comparing the sales of Accord with an LS because it is full size sedan in 09 Replies to this message: tom17 (Sep 12, 2008 6:49 pm) joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:20 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:22 am) and 18 more... joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:13 pm)
#96 of 152 Re: [carolinabob] by tom17 Sep 12, 2008 (6:45 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Sep 12, 2008 10:05 am) Genesis: better MPG w/ reg. fuel, much larger trunk, larger inside and outside, more airbags? and does not feel as confining as the GS. Of course, the $10,000 money savings helps. Actually the Genesis 3.8 is rated 18/27 and the GS350 is rated 19/27. I will admit the Genesis is a much larger car. If the GS350 is $10,000 more, most of that will be eaten up by the difference in the dealer discounts. I know for a fact the GS350 can be had for a $7,000 discount off MSRP. Just looked up the MPG at www.Carsdirect.com. They get $2,763 over MSRP for the Premium package which you are interested in. That is $9,763 of your $10,000 difference !!! Replies to this message: joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:29 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:08 am) joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 3:24 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:13 am) joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 3:31 pm) and 6 more... carolinabob (Sep 13, 2008 12:34 pm)
#97 of 152 Re: [adamjmank] by tom17 Sep 12, 2008 (6:49 pm)
Replying to: adamjmank (Sep 12, 2008 5:37 pm) Well shouldn't the sales of genesis be compared with the sales of sedans in its price range. Than comparing with an RL which is priced way above. Hyundai themselves is comparing the Genesis to a Porsche Boxter. The previous comparison of the Sonata to a Camry & Accord is night and day closer than comparing a 4 door sedan to a 2 door converible. At least the RL is a 4 door luxury sedan. Replies to this message: joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:20 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:22 am) jeffreid (Sep 13, 2008 2:08 pm) and 17 more...
#98 of 152 Re: [adamjmank] by joe97 Sep 12, 2008 (7:13 pm)
Replying to: adamjmank (Sep 12, 2008 5:37 pm) Well shouldn't the sales of genesis be compared with the sales of sedans in its price range. Than comparing with an RL which is priced way above. I am not saying it shouldn't but there is nothing wrong w/ it. When even the professionals are comparing the Genesis to the luxury counterparts, then that might give some hints to the caliber of the car. By your logic, the Japanese contenders (minus the pathetic RL) shouldn't be compared to the Germans because cars like BMW and MB are priced much higher than that of the Lexus and Infiniti. Go drive the car and find out for yourself. I for sure know an RL's Nav touch screen is far superior to any in its class I disagree. I've found Audi's MMI system to be the best overall navigation system. I have not had much playing time with the system in the Genesis but initial impressions are very good. It's closer to the MMI than the complicated i-Drive. RL's is also very good, I found, but too few people know about it
#99 of 152 Re: [tom17] by joe97 Sep 12, 2008 (7:20 pm)
Replying to: tom17 (Sep 12, 2008 6:49 pm) Hyundai themselves is comparing the Genesis to a Porsche Boxter. Only in 0-60, which was independently tested. The Boxster had a weight advantage of over a ton, and still came in almost a second slower - should note Genesis does have the power advantage but still. I believe they also did a test with the 750i, with the Genesis finishing ahead. Replies to this message: satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:22 am) jeffreid (Sep 13, 2008 2:08 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 5:55 pm) and 16 more...
#100 of 152 Re: [tom17] by joe97 Sep 12, 2008 (7:29 pm)
Replying to: tom17 (Sep 12, 2008 6:45 pm) If the GS350 is $10,000 more, most of that will be eaten up by the difference in the dealer discounts. I know for a fact the GS350 can be had for a $7,000 discount off MSRP. If you replaced that with a Hyundai, I'd bet a much different tone woud be spoken for. Steep discounts of a Lexus vehicle, for example, would get few criticism, bashing, or become the subject of a joke. Actually the Genesis 3.8 is rated 18/27 and the GS350 is rated 19/27. I think the OP said regular gas so I would call this one even FWIW, the mere weight of the Genesis, its fuel economy in both the 6 and the 8 has to be well-respected. Fuel-efficiency was never Hyundai's forte, and while still average, they are catching up super-fast, with several models in the fleet grabbing the lead pack in its respective classes - the Genesis being one, another I can think of right now is the Sonata, which I believe is higher than both Accord and Camry. Replies to this message: satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:08 am) joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 3:24 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 4:13 am) joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 3:31 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 5:46 pm) and 5 more...
#101 of 152 Re: [joe97] by satyarg Sep 13, 2008 (4:08 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:29 pm) another I can think of right now is the Sonata, which I believe is higher than both Accord and Camry. would you explain, why is it a distant fifth in sales compared to a camry/ accord/altima/malibu even in this age of soaring gas prices? its clear that buyers are looking for something else or you are missing to understand something Replies to this message: joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 3:24 pm)
#102 of 152 Re: [joe97] by satyarg Sep 13, 2008 (4:13 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Sep 12, 2008 7:29 pm) If the GS350 is $10,000 more, most of that will be eaten up by the difference in the dealer discounts. I know for a fact the GS350 can be had for a $7,000 discount off MSRP. In my earlier post I even gave the name of the dealership which is selling the genesis for around $ 30000.00.. you can never have GS 350 even with any discounts around that price range. makes me wonder if you even own one Replies to this message: joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 3:31 pm) satyarg (Sep 13, 2008 5:46 pm) adamjmank (Sep 13, 2008 6:23 pm) and 1 more... joe97 (Sep 13, 2008 8:11 pm) and 2 more...