Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350

152 messages, Last post on Jun 06, 2009 at 1:45 PM

You are in the Hyundai Genesis Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Hyundai Genesis, Lexus GS 350, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 - Hyundai isn't shy about its targets for the Genesis. "While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Lexus ES, Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS," the company stated in a press release about the car's pricing, "Genesis' performance capabilities and luxury features are comparable to sedans costing tens of thousands of dollars more." (more)

Outline

Messages Page 2 of 16: 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7; ...; 16; Prev; Next; Last

#4 of 152 Re: Hyundai Genesis V8 vs. Lexus GS350 (V6) [joe97] by allthatblue Aug 18, 2008 (6:07 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (Aug 18, 2008 3:44 pm) It's interesting that every auto journal matches the Genesis against MB or BMW or Lexus which has way higher price tags even though hyundai executives told that the real world(not benchmarked) competitors of the Genesis would be 300C, G8, and Caddy. IMO, It’s natural that the Genesis should be slightly inferior to Lexus and the likes considering the huge chasm in the price line. The Genesis is the car that gives 90% level of performance for 60~70% level of cost. The margin, 20~30%, is the value that the Genesis brings to its owner. But, car journals just frequently talk about the 10% gap in performance. Surely they would write quite different stories when matching the Genesis with 300C or CTS or G8.(or Avalon, Maxima..)
#5 of 152 Re: Hyundai Genesis V8 vs. Lexus GS350 (V6) [joe97] by ricwhite Aug 18, 2008 (6:52 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (Aug 18, 2008 3:44 pm) What was a little interesting between Hyundai Genesis and Lexus GS 350 was that the V6 Lexus was actually faster than the V8 Genesis and got over 5 MPG average better gas mileage. The Lexus was about 7K more expensive, but I think you can get really good deals on the Lexus right now while many Hyundai dealership are tacking on additional dealer profit. Based on those test results, you would probably save about $800/year on fuel with the Lexus, which is something else to consider. Of course the other point that would put some people on the Lexus side is that the "name" recognition and status of Lexus is heads above Hyundai. All else being equal, I'm sure most would choose the established Lexus over the un-tested Genesis. There are also many other points to consider on both sides, including the warranty, customer service and maintenance costs and convenience. But I AM very impressed that Hyundai can give a Lexus a run for its money. Replies to this message: joe97 (Aug 18, 2008 8:21 pm)
#6 of 152 Re: Hyundai Genesis V8 vs. Lexus GS350 (V6) [ricwhite] by joe97 Aug 18, 2008 (8:21 pm)
Replying to: ricwhite (Aug 18, 2008 6:52 pm) Well it was a V8 vs. V6, to be fair; so the fuel efficiency drop was expected while still returned very respective fuel economy. The added weight also didn't help, as the V8 puts the car in the 2 ton range. I was a little surprised Edmunds only ran the V8 5.9 seconds to 60, with most other tests came in at 5.6-5.7 (M/T had 5.5 secs). It is worth noting Toyota's V6 is very good. Regardless, this is a victory in many ways for the Genesis, and Hyundai; obviously from the actual results, but also further proof that Hyundai has taken another step to prove as a legitimately player in its newest segment. Side note, despite Edmunds' explanations, I would like to see Genesis V6 vs. GS350, for example, or Genesis V8 vs. GS460 instead. Side note 2 - as in a reversal of fortune, it seems - with buyers getting never-seen-before discounts on the prestige models, while the Genesis has stayed close to MSRP (so far) - from a corporate standpoint, this speaks volume with regards to the continued pursuit of Hyundai's already vast improvement in resale values. Even if the Genesis line (sedan and coupe) doesn't succeed, the level of intangibles it would benefit the brand (and rest of line) is hard to quantify.
#7 of 152 Re: Hyundai Genesis V8 vs. Lexus GS350 (V6) [joe97] by allmet33 Aug 19, 2008 (7:15 am)
Replying to: joe97 (Aug 18, 2008 3:44 pm) What I find odd is that they tested the GS350 against the Genesis 4.6 claiming a better match. The Genesis 3.8 would have also been just as good because the 290 ponies it pumps out is on regular fuel and the 303 the GS350 puts out is on premium. Fill the tank on the Genesis with premium and the output is much closer to the GS350. So the price difference would have been even greater going with the 3.8 w/Tech package as opposed to the 4.6 w/Tech package. Replies to this message: osaka75 (Aug 19, 2008 12:55 pm)
#8 of 152 Re: Hyundai Genesis V8 vs. Lexus GS350 (V6) [allmet33] by osaka75 Aug 19, 2008 (12:55 pm)
Replying to: allmet33 (Aug 19, 2008 7:15 am) After resale value and fuel economy is taken into account, these two become much closer in total owership cost. I realize we don't have data on how well the Hyundai will hold up for trade-in value but I figure it will do slightly better but not significantly better than current Hyundai models. If this is so, a used Genesis will be a steal in a couple of years.
#9 of 152 by richt5 Aug 19, 2008 (1:28 pm)
Normally edmunds has good write ups on all autos. But ,on the above either the writer must be working for Lexus or really not like Hyundai and I will, in detail explain why. First the article takes the v6 Lexus and compares it to a v8 Hyundai ( so they can keep price comparisons down) and show better mileage for the Lexus. The Hyundai cost approx. $42,000. The base GS460 v8 has a base of $52,020, probable around $60000 with equivalent extras. Car and driver puts the Hyundai at 0 to 60 in 5.6 seconds and 14.1 at 103 in the quarter mile. edmunds has no info of this lexus in performance specs, but probable about the same. On gas mileage the Hyundai EPA is better. As the Lexus v8 only gets 17/ 24 -- not as good as the Hyundai . The Hyundai has more interior room and a larger trunk , gets better skid pad results , shorter breaking and is probable just as quiet as the Lexus-- but edmunds didnt say. Also I believe the v6 Lexus requires premium gas. And needless to say Hyundai has a better warrentee . And this is Hyundai's first attempt . How would the 1989 Lexus compare with this model Hyundai. So lets wrap this up . For about $20000 less than a comparable Lexus , you get a Hyundai that gets better gas milege , excellent quality , larger interior , larger truck, better skid pad results ,,shorter breaking results, probable just as quiet at speed and can run on regular gas . I know its hard to match Lexus 100% . But Hyundai's first try is - 90 to 95 % as good .Probable better than the Lexus first try. I think this artical should be rewritten , by someone more knowledgeable or impartcal. Obviously this was a hurry-up get it done artical . It misrepresents the Hyundai product and mis informs the public. You Guys write excellent --- Someones not meeting your writing and content quality standards. Respectfully submitted.
#10 of 152 0-60 Times by dg0472 Aug 19, 2008 (2:20 pm)
I said this on the thread regarding the first test, but it probably is worth repeating here: were these cars fueled at the same place? The original Edmunds V-8 test had the same time running Regular and this time was supposedly on Premium. Plus other tests have come in at 5.5-5.7, as joe97 already noted. Have to wonder what's going on here. Perhaps was something wrong with this particular example? Not good if so, but I sure would like to see a 2nd test with a different 4.6.
#11 of 152 V6 vs V8, cost and 0-60 times by akuma Aug 19, 2008 (5:01 pm)
i'm not surprised by the slow times of the Genesis. every review with acceleration tests shows the Genesis in the mid to high 5s. the reason Edmunds has the times at 5.9 is because they don't allow for the 1 foot of roll-out as with a drag strip that Car and Driver and Motor Trend probably allow. if they did, the time would have been around 5.6 seconds which is consistent with everyone else as is the 14.1 quarter mile time, although the trap speed of 101 mph is about 2 mph low. the time for the GS350 would then improve to 5.4 for 0-60, but the quarter mile would of course stay the same at 14.0 at 99.5 mph. i don't know exactly why the Genesis is so much slower than the Lexus GS (both), Pontiac G8, Mercedes E550, and BMW 550i (or 535i) despite having better or similar power to weight numbers. my guess is worse tires (the slalom and skidpad numbers would also improve with performance tires), worse gearing (shifts before redline) and an underachieving engine (also F/E not as good in real world, also seen in the Azera). as for the Genesis having a better result with the V6, i doubt it. the V6 with tech package is only $2,000 less, and the F/E is only about 1-2 mpg better, yet the engine performance would suffer and definitely the braking performance. the skidpad would probably improve, but i understand the electro-hydraulic steering makes the V8 better in the slalom. also they didn't like the steering feel of the V8; the V6 is even worse, and the quality of materials, at least the leather, is worse in the V6. the Genesis wouldn't seem as impressive in V6 form against the Lexus, despite being about $9,000 less. it would really seem more like getting what you paid for. having said all that i still agree with Inside Line. the Genesis is better considering the price advantage.
#12 of 152 by dgs4 Aug 19, 2008 (5:29 pm)
Only car journalists and car nerds care about 0-60 times and slalom speeds for luxury cars like these two. The typical Doctor, Lawyer, Investment Banker etc. could care less about those kinds of statistics. It's all about comfort, luxury features, safety, and name brand recognition. It's obvious from this article if one were to block out the name Hyundai as being inferior, it's clearly the better buy. Even without the $7,000 price difference I would pick the Hyundai over the Lexus. Sadly anyone shopping in the $40,000 to $50,000 price range for a car will probably place more importance on being a badge whore than driving the best car for their money. Do I think the Hyundai is worth every penny of its $42,000 asking price, yes, absolutely. Do I think most people with that kind of money to spend on a car will agree with me, probably not. This was a big gamble by Hyundai, and I hope people prove my prediction wrong and buy up every Genesis Hyundai can make. Being a proud and very happy owner of a 2009 Sonata Limited V6 I have a vested interest in seeing Hyundai do as well as possible. I'm just not sure if the Genesis is going to do well. Most people buying Hyundai's try to nickel and dime the dealerships for every last cent they can get off the MSRP (not me, but go read the Sonata Prices Paid forum to see what I'm talking about), which is quite a different crowd than a Lexus/BMW/Infiniti buyer. Replies to this message: carolinabob (Aug 23, 2008 11:53 am)
#13 of 152 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 [KarenS] by drexel89 Aug 19, 2008 (6:00 pm)
Replying to: KarenS (Aug 19, 2008 11:29 am) Wow. I have always accepted your reviews as pretty fair commentaries. I am not any sort of Hyundai fanboi here, but that was some terribly one-sided, thinly disguised bias. There was no real justification for a v6 to v8 review here people. Terribly dissapointed and will view all of your reviews a little differently from now on... We wont get into the discrepancies in performance numbers from other sites either... Drex edited for clarity Replies to this message: pat (Aug 20, 2008 2:52 am)