Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350

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Comparison Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 - Hyundai isn't shy about its targets for the Genesis. "While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Lexus ES, Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS," the company stated in a press release about the car's pricing, "Genesis' performance capabilities and luxury features are comparable to sedans costing tens of thousands of dollars more." (more)

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#16 of 151 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 [drexel89 by pat HOST Aug 20, 2008 (2:52 am)
Replying to: drexel89 (Aug 19, 2008 6:00 pm) Hi Drex, If you go back to the article, you'll see an Email link on the right of the author's name. Using that is the best way to get your comments to the editors. They may or may not see them here. Thanks for your thoughts.
#17 of 151 by prosource1 Aug 20, 2008 (6:44 am)
'What was a little interesting between Hyundai Genesis and Lexus GS 350 was that the V6 Lexus was actually faster than the V8 Genesis' This might be true in Edmunds run but the Genesis is quite capable of running a 5.5 in V8 configuration. Motor Trend achieved a 5.5 0-60 and 14.3 103mph quarter. Hyundai claims their tests avg'd 5.7 0-60. Of course you are going to get times on either side of that. At 42, I personally don't race my cars 0-60 or in quarter miles, so these aren't practical tests but they're used for comparison purposes. Daily driving feel and response is what most of us are looking for. When testing a vehicle, deciphering speed IMO comes from the sensation we receive from the torque, NVH, rigidity, and damping characteristics. What is most interesting about driving the Genesis, in either V6 or V8 offering, is the enhanced NVH dynamics. Hyundai's use of double laminated glass, enhanced torsional rigidity(14. 4% greater than a 5-Series), the extensive use of aluminum suspension components and insulation materials creates a 'muting' which sedates the Genesis. Hyundai's intentions in this is to lean more toward Lexus. Anyone who knows sedans in this category, and has driven the Genesis, knows Lexus was benchmarked. What I can't figure out is how Edmunds doesn't recognize this in their tests... even though the Genesis is actually decibels quieter. They rate the Lexus quieter and this is not accurate. The Genesis is not only competent in V6 or V8 forms(I have driven both extensively) but world-class in daily driving dynamics and nvh muting. Drive them and you'll know this. Just my 3 cents. Replies to this message: giantkiller (Aug 21, 2008 3:44 pm)
#18 of 151 correction by prosource1 Aug 20, 2008 (6:46 am)
damping ? ouch 'dampening'. Can't believe I wrote that. Replies to this message: jlindh (Aug 20, 2008 6:57 am)
#19 of 151 Re: correction [prosource1] by jlindh Aug 20, 2008 (6:57 am)
Replying to: prosource1 (Aug 20, 2008 6:46 am) Damping is correct. According to Wikipedia, "Damping is any effect, either deliberately engendered or inherent to a system, that tends to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of an oscillatory system."
#20 of 151 Re: [prosource1] by giantkiller Aug 21, 2008 (3:44 pm)
Replying to: prosource1 (Aug 20, 2008 6:44 am) Not to sound sarcastic here but how did you measure NVH between Lexus and Genesis ? By your ear?
#21 of 151 V8 vs V6 by Insideline! by sarah12 Aug 21, 2008 (4:50 pm)
Every time a new car hits the market, it doesn't matter what it is, it wins the heart of Insideline editors. Also, regardless of the $7,000 price difference it's a fair comparison to the editors. Better yet, although the editors admit that the Lexus beats the Huyndai in performance and build quality, they still chose the Hyundai to be a better car. Well, that's why Edmunds.com is not considered as a reliable source of information for new car comparisons. Here is what Jermy Clarkson said on "The Good the Bad and the Ugly" that describes Insideline's thinking pretty well: "...Americans favor the cheap and the rubbish..." Replies to this message: dg0472 (Aug 23, 2008 11:04 am)
#22 of 151 Re: V8 vs V6 by Insideline! [sarah12] by dg0472 Aug 23, 2008 (11:04 am)
Replying to: sarah12 (Aug 21, 2008 4:50 pm) Calling this car rubbish is well, rubbish. Is it as refined and as good in all aspects as the Lexus? No. But that's not the entire point of the comparison. The point is to see which is the better value. And the Hyundai's more than close enough for the money to make it the better value. Also, if you have valid statistical data to prove that Edmunds.com is not considered as a reliable source for information for new car comparisons from a neutral third-party source, I'd like to know where I can view such data. Though you may feel that way and even though your entire cohort group of friends might feel that way, you need to remember that you represent only a very tiny fraction of opinion holders in the world and without some hard data or really good reasons to back up statements like that, your opinions mean *NOTHING* to me. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a huge majority on here agree with me on that one. But I'm not going to be so arrogant as to state that as an absolute fact.
#23 of 151 Re: [dgs4] by carolinabob Aug 23, 2008 (11:53 am)
Replying to: dgs4 (Aug 19, 2008 5:29 pm) I "gambled" on a 2007 Azera Limited with Ultimate Package - and lost. While I have not experienced many of the problems that others have, Hyundai has failed to correct the suspension problem and at this point is ignoring me. The Lexus 350 has been highly recommended by some of the car magazines as a better buy than the 460. Maybe I need to consider Lexus, Acura, Infiniti and give up on Hyundai. I did test drive two V-6's and found them lacking especially at anywhere near MSRP. Better than the Azera in most areas, but strangely lacking in others. Ride did not wallow, but every road impervection was transmitted to the driver's seat and steering wheel. What will the Genesis' be like at one or two years and 12 or 24,000 miles? With Lexus, you know.
#24 of 151 Known quality vs. Unknown by carolinabob Aug 23, 2008 (12:08 pm)
Based on my experience with a 2007 Azera Limited, I take Hyundais with a bag of salt. I have driven two Genesis' and found them lacking, even in comparison to the Azera in some areas. It does ride and perform better and has some different amenities, but it's still and Hyuundai and at this point a very much unproven quantity. Hyundai still has quality problems, whereas Lexus does not or else fixes them. Hyundai will listen, but ultimately just says - "That's the way the car is." A great warranty doesn't mean anything if it cannot be fixed or everything goes wrong. The concept, and price, of the Genesis is great and it looks better, but in the long run will it really be worth the total cost to own and frustration? No. Replies to this message: jeffreid (Aug 23, 2008 2:46 pm) joe97 (Aug 23, 2008 3:25 pm) carolinabob (Aug 25, 2008 7:10 am) jeffreid (Aug 25, 2008 10:30 am) joe97 (Aug 25, 2008 11:48 am) sergio19 (Aug 27, 2008 5:48 am) and 3 more...
#25 of 151 Re: Known quality vs. Unknown [carolinabob] by jeffreid Aug 23, 2008 (2:46 pm)
Replying to: carolinabob (Aug 23, 2008 12:08 pm) I just wanted to put a thought out there on the "quality" issue that is being mentioned here. I for one do not care for the ride/drive of the Azera. It is too soft for me and does not feel the way that I would like it to, that seems to be the problem that carolinabob is having as well. Now, just because I do not care for the ride, does that mean that HMA is on the hook to change the suspension to fit my tastes? The answer is no. If the time comes that the "problem" that a person is having with a car is an issue of personal preference, what is a manufacturer to do? I don't think that there is any company in the world that will reengineer a car to make a customer happy. If you like the ride/drive of the Genesis, then jump in!! The underpinnings of this car are considered world-class, and I would have to think that the components and geometry would remain the same over time.