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Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350

152 messages,  Last post on Jun 06, 2009 at 1:45 PM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Genesis, Lexus GS 350, Car Comparisons, Sedan

Comparison Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 - Hyundai isn't shy about its targets for the Genesis. "While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Lexus ES, Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS," the company stated in a press release about the car's pricing, "Genesis' performance capabilities and luxury features are comparable to sedans costing tens of thousands of dollars more." (more)


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Re: [satyarg] by aqua33v6
Sep 15, 2008 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: satyarg (Sep 15, 2008 7:02 am)

Sonatas actually sell for $3,000 to $5,000 less than Camrys and Accords. If I have the option to save that money up front, or wait several years to get that money back (MAYBE), I'll choose the first option so that I can invest the money I've saved and still come out ahead in the end.
 
Remember, TCO Guides are based mostly on the past, and do not reflect future resale value improvements, nor reliability improvements that are realized after today's current models have been driven 70,000, 100,000, 150,000 miles.
 
Let's not get too far off track though. There are other forums where we can talk about prices, features, and professional reviews of midsize sedans.
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Re: [jeffreid] by satyarg
Sep 15, 2008 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: jeffreid (Sep 15, 2008 11:26 am)

Now stop being a baby because U could not afford one in the luxury segment and settled for an imitator.
 
I drive a Beemer and a Lexus is that a Crime ?
 
Its you- who's trying to defend your purchase is some how superior to the Luxury segment.
 
 I also heard rumors about suspension issues with the genesis . Is that right at the least. as a Hyundai spokesman shouldn't you know about these issues first.
 
Please check the genesis posts on this very forum about the issue.
 
Or should we start an other thread with Hyundai XXXX Vs BMW XXXX vs Lexus XXXX
New Car Suspension problems.
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Re: [aqua33v6] by satyarg
Sep 15, 2008 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: aqua33v6 (Sep 15, 2008 11:37 am)


Sonatas actually sell for $3,000 to $5,000 less than Camrys and Accords. If I have the option to save that money up front, or wait several years to get that money back (MAYBE), I'll choose the first option so that I can invest the money I've saved and still come out ahead in the end.

 
Thats not a bad Idea at all and I agree with you.
Unfortunately every year close 900,000 buyers in this segment think otherwise and still buy an Accord or Camry every year.
   Hard to understand why ?
 
My point is " If buyers in the mid size segment are not caring on taking money upfront and investing on these two cars for safe keeping"
 
Why would the buyers in the Luxury segment even blink before buying their respective favorite Toys( BMW, MZ, V, Cadillac, Lexus, Porsche, Acura to name a few).
 
I in no way belittle Hyundai's Genesis. To the contrary I test drove it twice for a friend and thought its a good Car.
Probably I can buy two of these babies for ( $30,000.00 ) each instead of getting my fully loaded Beemer.
 
would I be interested? No
Cause : These babies have to grow more and prove to be trustworthy of being on my my driveway.
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Re: [satyarg] by aqua33v6
Sep 15, 2008 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: satyarg (Sep 15, 2008 11:57 am)

Do you have a link to a professional source that explains the details of these "suspension problems" that you claim exist. Interesting - this same unsubstantiated claim was made in the main Genesis forum within the last day. Oh, how true it is, that rumors spread like disease.
 
Nobody was trying to say the Genesis is a better car than the more expensive Lexus and BMW cars. What I find very impressive is the fact that there is a car on the market that is just as good as a Lexus GS for around $10,000 less, and almost as good as a BMW 5-series for $15,000 to $20,000 less.
 
Be sure to note that I agree the BMW 5-series is still a better car than the Genesis- just not by as much as some people would like to admit. I know that if I had spent $10,000 to $20,000 more for a car, I sure would want to justify it too. Maybe something like "hmmm, well my Lexus dealer treats me like I'm at a country club, so at least I can experience the illusion of having a lot more money than I actually do." Or, something like "well, when people see my BMW they will know how successful I am." Hey, whatever makes you happy.
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Re: [satyarg] by aqua33v6
Sep 15, 2008 (1:02 pm)
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Not hard at all to understand. Perception takes a long time to change. Are you forgetting how it took decades for Honda and Toyota to change their perception?
 
I guess I'll just have to be one of the the lonely people who went against the the popular trend and bought a Hyundai. I sure hope I don't regret it.
 
Yeah, that was sarcasm. It beat up on my last Hyundai. I skipped oil changes and timing belt replacements for thousands of miles. I drove it like I stole it all the time, and, yet, it never failed me and was still running strong with just under 200,000 miles. I now own my 2nd Hyundai, and it has proven to be a just as good of a car.
 
Sorry, bud. I don't need your propaganda. How bout we stick specifically to Genesis-related topics. There are general forums where you can try to convince everyone why Brand X is so much better than Brand Y. This isn't the place.
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Re: [aqua33v6] by craiglang
Sep 15, 2008 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: aqua33v6 (Sep 15, 2008 1:02 pm)

I got my new Genesis and I am happy with it so far.
I am even replying because I care for other buyers like me who are in the market.
I myself was looking at a 2009 Maxima or Accord to comfortably fit my family of 4, be assuring, with all available options, be sporty. I think I got more that all that I can get in a maxima or accord.
I even got it at a bargain $ 30150.00 + TTL. and everyone was looking at it for the few miles I drove.
 
It never felt this good in a new Car.
 
As far as the comparison with Lexus or BMW is concerned I dont Care if its even better , good or worse than them because I was not even thinking of these makes.
The only luxury car thought of was a mercedes C class purely because it was in the price range around $32500.00.
 
I am happy I got a larger car and more options than a C Class and with more warranty.
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Re: [aqua33v6] by pat HOST
Sep 15, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: aqua33v6 (Sep 15, 2008 1:02 pm)

Things are getting too personal here. Everyone needs to debate the ideas being expressed and not the people who are expressing them.
 
However, please keep in mind that this discussion is about the GS 350 just as much as it is about the Genesis. In other words this is one of those what's better than what discussions, so yes, it does happen to be the place.
 
It would be nice to keep it confined to those two vehicles, though. We need to work harder at that.
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Re: [pat] by aqua33v6
Sep 15, 2008 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: pat (Sep 15, 2008 3:14 pm)

"Unfortunately every year close 900,000 buyers in this segment think otherwise and still buy an Accord or Camry every year.
Hard to understand why ?"
 
How can this be interpreted as having anything to do with a Genesis and GS350 comparison?
 
I would love to discuss comparisons of the [GS350] and [Genesis], if given the opportunity.
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Re: [satyarg] by jeffreid
Sep 16, 2008 (5:35 am)
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Replying to: satyarg (Sep 15, 2008 11:57 am)

I am going to drop this topic after this post, so I would like to say thanks in advance for everyone's patience.
 
satyarg, I never once said that a Genesis was better than a lux segment car (or any other car for that matter), and I never said that there was anything wrong with you, or anyone else, owning ANYTHING.
 
What I said was that it seemed as though you were trying to justify the extra cash that these cars cost simply based on name. That's it. I actually even said (and will say again) that Lexus products are generally very good and stand on their own merit. Just to throw it in, I think that BMW products are excellent products as well.
 
I simply do not believe that it makes any sense to get all riled up and attack a new car coming into the market that is in the ballpark of the "upper crust" at a more friendly price point. If you liked your cars when you bought them, and still enjoy them now, then that is all that matters.
 
Lastly, when did I post my net worth on this forum?
 
Thanks to everyone for indulging me, and I hope you all have a great week.
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Re: [aqua33v6] by pat HOST
Sep 16, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: aqua33v6 (Sep 15, 2008 8:05 pm)

Um, yeah. That's why I said part of what I said in the post to which you replied.

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