Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350

152 messages, Last post on Jun 06, 2009 at 1:45 PM

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Comparison Test: 2009 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 - Hyundai isn't shy about its targets for the Genesis. "While Genesis will compete for customers with cars like Lexus ES, Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS," the company stated in a press release about the car's pricing, "Genesis' performance capabilities and luxury features are comparable to sedans costing tens of thousands of dollars more." (more)

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#13 of 152 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 [KarenS] by drexel89 Aug 19, 2008 (6:00 pm)
Replying to: KarenS (Aug 19, 2008 11:29 am) Wow. I have always accepted your reviews as pretty fair commentaries. I am not any sort of Hyundai fanboi here, but that was some terribly one-sided, thinly disguised bias. There was no real justification for a v6 to v8 review here people. Terribly dissapointed and will view all of your reviews a little differently from now on... We wont get into the discrepancies in performance numbers from other sites either... Drex edited for clarity Replies to this message: pat (Aug 20, 2008 2:52 am)
#14 of 152 Bias by aneesh Aug 19, 2008 (6:42 pm)
I agree with Drex...I honestly think the editor was biased since the previous full test posted better numbers with KDM suspension settings. Hyundai has stiffened the suspension for American taste.... Also I do think Hyundai could have picked better tires for the Genesis says either Bridgestone or Michelin instead of Dunlops. I hope the coupe will have more positive reviews.
#15 of 152 by sjaieve Aug 19, 2008 (6:43 pm)
Lexus really needs to something about their lineup. Most of their cars are always being bashed (for no good reason), and this article is not good news. As a former Lexus owner, I can testify to the extraordinary quality of their vehicles, plush is a word that comes to mind. Admittedly there are very few Lexus buyers who will be swayed by this comparison, the Hyundai drivers will feel good about their purchase but as someone said, its unlikely someone committed to the luxury models at that price range would change their mind. I for one will shop for a V8 from the Europeans or the Japanese, ONLY. Of all the existing V8s in the 40-50k range (base), the only one I find appealing is the Infiniti FX50. The G350/460, E class, 5 series, Infiniti M, although there are nice cars, but never been appealing to me. I guess its tough to be in the middle of real luxury (S Class) and perfomance, (335i). I have no pity for Lexus, they should do something to ensure they never lose in these pitiful comparisons, but bottomline is they lost, irrespective of what I think.
#16 of 152 Re: Article Comments - 2009 Hyundai Genesis vs. 2008 Lexus GS 350 [drexel89 by pat HOST Aug 20, 2008 (2:52 am)
Replying to: drexel89 (Aug 19, 2008 6:00 pm) Hi Drex, If you go back to the article, you'll see an Email link on the right of the author's name. Using that is the best way to get your comments to the editors. They may or may not see them here. Thanks for your thoughts.
#17 of 152 by prosource1 Aug 20, 2008 (6:44 am)
'What was a little interesting between Hyundai Genesis and Lexus GS 350 was that the V6 Lexus was actually faster than the V8 Genesis' This might be true in Edmunds run but the Genesis is quite capable of running a 5.5 in V8 configuration. Motor Trend achieved a 5.5 0-60 and 14.3 103mph quarter. Hyundai claims their tests avg'd 5.7 0-60. Of course you are going to get times on either side of that. At 42, I personally don't race my cars 0-60 or in quarter miles, so these aren't practical tests but they're used for comparison purposes. Daily driving feel and response is what most of us are looking for. When testing a vehicle, deciphering speed IMO comes from the sensation we receive from the torque, NVH, rigidity, and damping characteristics. What is most interesting about driving the Genesis, in either V6 or V8 offering, is the enhanced NVH dynamics. Hyundai's use of double laminated glass, enhanced torsional rigidity(14. 4% greater than a 5-Series), the extensive use of aluminum suspension components and insulation materials creates a 'muting' which sedates the Genesis. Hyundai's intentions in this is to lean more toward Lexus. Anyone who knows sedans in this category, and has driven the Genesis, knows Lexus was benchmarked. What I can't figure out is how Edmunds doesn't recognize this in their tests... even though the Genesis is actually decibels quieter. They rate the Lexus quieter and this is not accurate. The Genesis is not only competent in V6 or V8 forms(I have driven both extensively) but world-class in daily driving dynamics and nvh muting. Drive them and you'll know this. Just my 3 cents. Replies to this message: giantkiller (Aug 21, 2008 3:44 pm)
#18 of 152 correction by prosource1 Aug 20, 2008 (6:46 am)
damping ? ouch 'dampening'. Can't believe I wrote that. Replies to this message: jlindh (Aug 20, 2008 6:57 am)
#19 of 152 Re: correction [prosource1] by jlindh Aug 20, 2008 (6:57 am)
Replying to: prosource1 (Aug 20, 2008 6:46 am) Damping is correct. According to Wikipedia, "Damping is any effect, either deliberately engendered or inherent to a system, that tends to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of an oscillatory system."
#20 of 152 Re: [prosource1] by giantkiller Aug 21, 2008 (3:44 pm)
Replying to: prosource1 (Aug 20, 2008 6:44 am) Not to sound sarcastic here but how did you measure NVH between Lexus and Genesis ? By your ear?
#21 of 152 V8 vs V6 by Insideline! by sarah12 Aug 21, 2008 (4:50 pm)
Every time a new car hits the market, it doesn't matter what it is, it wins the heart of Insideline editors. Also, regardless of the $7,000 price difference it's a fair comparison to the editors. Better yet, although the editors admit that the Lexus beats the Huyndai in performance and build quality, they still chose the Hyundai to be a better car. Well, that's why Edmunds.com is not considered as a reliable source of information for new car comparisons. Here is what Jermy Clarkson said on "The Good the Bad and the Ugly" that describes Insideline's thinking pretty well: "...Americans favor the cheap and the rubbish..." Replies to this message: dg0472 (Aug 23, 2008 11:04 am)
#22 of 152 Re: V8 vs V6 by Insideline! [sarah12] by dg0472 Aug 23, 2008 (11:04 am)
Replying to: sarah12 (Aug 21, 2008 4:50 pm) Calling this car rubbish is well, rubbish. Is it as refined and as good in all aspects as the Lexus? No. But that's not the entire point of the comparison. The point is to see which is the better value. And the Hyundai's more than close enough for the money to make it the better value. Also, if you have valid statistical data to prove that Edmunds.com is not considered as a reliable source for information for new car comparisons from a neutral third-party source, I'd like to know where I can view such data. Though you may feel that way and even though your entire cohort group of friends might feel that way, you need to remember that you represent only a very tiny fraction of opinion holders in the world and without some hard data or really good reasons to back up statements like that, your opinions mean *NOTHING* to me. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a huge majority on here agree with me on that one. But I'm not going to be so arrogant as to state that as an absolute fact.