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#28 of 43 MKS -- Defectively Designed Front End -- A Disaster
Dec 23, 2011 (3:02 pm)
The 2010 MKS, and likely the other model years from what I have recently read, is just simply a horrible automobile. The front suspension is an unbelievable disaster. It detects every little imperfection in the road, and transmits it to the driver in a way the is almost painful and results in tremendous driver's fatique.
When new, this problem didn't exist. Over time, it developed and got worse, to the point where I hate getting in the vehicle. I much prefer driving my daughter's Jeep Grand Cherokee.........That must tell you something. Every little bump in the front right is grossly exaggerated, and those folks who ride in the car suggest it could be the wheel bearings, the swing arms, the bushings, etc, etc. Manhattan Lincoln in Rockville, MD said nothing is wrong with the vehicle, although they admit the phenomenon is there. Appparently, the vehicle is poorly designed. My friends who have driven in it swear they will never get a Lincoln as long as they live. Ford apparently doesn't know what to do about it, and is conspicuously silent. The last problem I had with the vehicle was the breaks, and that is a whole different story.
I and others hate this car. The front suspension system is poorly designed, and Ford is at a loss. I love the other firmer rider cars like the BMW, and the CTS. This car, however, is the vehicle from ______. Don't buy one. I can't wait to just dump it.
Ford's reported quality control problems continue. Adios Ford.
Jan 20, 2012 (9:23 am)
I was looking at used 2010's. Are the problems still present in that model year?
Trust me, your problems sound minor comparing my experience with 2011 Lacrosse CXS loaded. A very long list of issues and I am certain GM had taken the same stance about fixing. NOT! That GM rep was lucky I was behind the wheel. He kept saying he did not see a problem with all my issues. I snapped when I pointed up the last issue on my list, the side blind zone alert quit functioning properly. It would not let you know of presence until plus or minus 3 feet of rear bumper. I demonstrated by letting vehicles catch me and then pass. And he had the guts to say he did not see a problem with it. And my experiences with an 09 Malibu LT2 were similar. I strongly suggest staying away from any new GM products. (They had some good ones in the past, but not anymore, including Cadillac.)
BTW, my wife has a KIA with 70K. Absolutely no repairs needed. Unless you count recent brakes, battery, tires, and wiper blades.
#30 of 43 Re: Oh! Oh! [e_net_rider]
Jan 20, 2012 (11:11 am)
I was looking at used 2010's. Are the problems still present in that model year?
I am not exactly sure what problems you are referring to. There have been some service bulletins that apply to the 2010s. That is good - TSBs help the techs quickly solve issues. The brake situation that affected MKS, Taurus, Flex, etc. is a known issue and the TSB solves that problem. The root cause was the anchor brackets that hold the calipers. The TSB calls for revised brackets - the same ones used on 2011 and later Explorers. Just replacing pads and rotors does not solve the problem in the long term.
If you purchase a used 2010, I would want to make sure it has had that Brake TSB applied. Note that there is no safety issue at all - it is simply a brake noise issue. A few Ford products, including the MKS, had an issue with the Transmission Range Sensor. Again, a known issue with a TSB. That only impacted vehicles built during a very specific timeframe.
Some 2009 MKSs had a couple of other known issues that were eliminated in 2010 - rear parcel shelf vibration when playing songs with heavy bass and rear doors that didn't lock/unlock properly. Both issues were quickly resolved and 2010s were not affected by either of those issues.
I own a 2010 and wouldn't hesitate to recommend one. I would also recommend finding one with the ecoboost engine. Lastly, I would recommend ignoring a poster who is trying to be a drama-queen.
#31 of 43 Re: Oh! Oh! [brucelinc]
Jan 20, 2012 (1:53 pm)
Thanks for reply. Why the ecoboost over the other? Looking at new pricing, unless there are major changes besides that powertrain, the pricing does not justify from what I can see.
And looking at the build it site, there seems to be flaws in FLM's thinking. Some of the wanted features were not even listed such as the automatic cruise system. And, unfortunately, to get many of the wanted features, it includes the sunroof. I don't want no darned sunroof. And it is very unwise to package it that way because all that glass hurts CAFE numbers, especially stop and go. That glass adds a very significant weight. I don't know how much on this vehicle, but think 60's Mustang. They had the convertible, regular squared off back window, and the fastback. The fastback was the preferred for traction because that long sloping glass added 65#. It was badly needed to improve weight distribution. Even Ford knew it because in their official manual for hopping up the muscle, done in multiple steps according to your desire, one of the first steps was move the battery to the trunk, rt. side.
The ones you mention here seem to be the most common and manged to get attention. Some other forums have more individualized items and may never get fixed, sadly.
Drama queen? I certainly have been called that over in the Lacrosse forum. I admit it is almost unbelieveable that anyone could have so many issues. But there is little doubt that forum had GM employees trying to whip up a favorable position. First clue was when half of them disappeared just as GM was going back to work. And the final one came over an odd phrase. I've travelled around and met people from all over this country during military service, yet I'd never heard that odd phrase before, or since, except once. It came from the GM rep when he was riding in my car.
And when I posted in that forum of the incident, that person who made it disappeared from the forum.
I appreciate any insight, but will use with caution.
#32 of 43 EcoBoost
Jan 20, 2012 (2:10 pm)
In Canada the Eco Boost is a $10,000 option. (approx) It is tough to justify that pricetag. Turbo isn't worth $10,000 in my opinion as I find the MKS to be well powered without it but I admit every once in a while it would be fun to have. I note they don't charge $10,000 on their other models. Just to Lincoln owners who they obviously see coming a mile away and try to milk them for every penny.
#33 of 43 Re: Oh! Oh! [e_net_rider]
Jan 20, 2012 (2:55 pm)
Drama queen? I certainly have been called that over in the Lacrosse forum.
I apologize, e_net_rider! I wasn't referring to YOU as a drama-queen at all. I was referring to a poster who called the MKS a horrible automobile but didn't indicate any desire for help or advice - seemed he just wanted to whine.
The "ultimate" package has all the goodies but it does include the dual panel moonroof which you said you don't want. The adaptive cruise and parking assist are individual options. However, most people who get those also get the ultimate package so finding one without a moonroof but with adaptive cruise will be nearly impossible.
There is nothing wrong with the base engine and if you do not think the ecoboost is worth the difference in price, you could certainly scratch that off your list. The benefits are: Massively stronger acceleration, a bit better real world fuel mileage, less engine noise when accelerating or cruising (due to different gearing), less need for downshifts on hills or when passing, and just a general feeling of effortless power. The ecoboost develops its power at very low RPM - it just provides for a more luxury-oriented driving experience, in my opinion.
I totally understand your use of caution when evaluating my opinions or those of others. If you have heard of other concerns, however, I will gladly share my 2 cents. I have owned a 2010 MKS for over 2 years and I keep pretty up-to-date on Ford products.
#34 of 43 Re: Oh! Oh! [brucelinc]
Jan 30, 2012 (10:59 am)
When someone buys a new car, it is not to create a list of defects. They will be disappointments and at each individuals capacity they will reach a breaking point.
It seems to me the only ones bashing needlessly would be competition and those making outrageous claims of greatness while simultaneously bashing the person with trouble might likely be company employees.
I come looking for help and I appreciate it. Thanks for your input. At this point I find it a bit difficult to pay an extra $7300 dollars to move to ecoboost +glass +active cruise +active park. Otherwise the two are very close, the cheaper having 13,000 more miles.
I hate shopping, for anything. And these big ticket items are not easily returnable.
#35 of 43 Rear door seals leaking on 2010
Apr 17, 2012 (11:21 am)
This is a follow up to my last post. My Lincoln dealer found a TSP on this problem and sent for the parts to fix it. They got all new lower seals and retainer panels for the bottom of all four doors. They were replaced under warranty. Guess what, they don't work much better than the originals. This winter slush would freeze and actually form a seal and stop further snow and slush from entering. I'm going to try fixing it with some weather stripping or any other proven suggestions from you readers, ray89
#36 of 43 Re: Oh! Oh! [e_net_rider]
May 05, 2012 (10:10 pm)
Hi brucelinc, this is datagen. It has been a while. Remember I got the 2009 MKS. I should have listened to you guys. That car tuned out to be such a disappointment. The painted faded in the doors to where they had to repaint them. The bearings, steering, brakes, and heating elements in the seats all went out. What broke the camel's back was the transmission. At 27,000 miles it started leaking. I turned the vehicle in 4 months early just to get rid of it. Worst than all of this was the dealer service. It was so bad I started taking it to a Ford dealership. I had a MKZ which was much better but I was so burnt by the way I was treated at the dealership, I tuned the MKZ in early as well. I took a different turn altogether now and so far so good, .
#37 of 43 Re: Oh! Oh! [datagen]
May 07, 2012 (5:57 am)
Yes, I remember you - if I recall correctly, you were one of the first owners. Sorry to hear of all your issues. I am really surprised about the faded paint. Also, the heated seat problem is unusual. They use a heat pump system for the heating and cooling and I haven't heard of any problems with that. I have heard of PTU leaks on the 2009 AWD models but haven't heard of any transmission leaks. In any case, you had too many issues for anyone to maintain confidence in the car.
I don't blame you for moving on.