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#9664 of 11692 Re: 1990 lexus with factory shocks !? [ruking1]
Jun 15, 2013 (1:46 pm)
The bottom line for the springs and shock/struts/combination is that both should be fine (SAFE) even after the 100k plus miles and time factors (on Gagrices Lexus example).
I have to agree. The way I see it if the Lexus specialist did not see any problem with the Shocks or any other suspension parts why change for the sake of change. I am sure if he felt they were needed during the 4 times he has worked on the vehicle, he would have let us know. Also looking at the price of components in the suspension, shocks would cost way more than the car is currently worth. Each front hydraulic shock (part #7) $1539. I will put up with the Buick like ride when forced to drive the car. I think with dual shocks it was designed to take a lot of use.
#9665 of 11692 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel
Jun 15, 2013 (4:27 pm)
This is the first review I have found of a cross country test. It is by MT.
Our initial impressions of the 2014 Grand Cherokee's fuel economy claims were mixed. The first tank of diesel got us from downtown Austin to a fuel station some 421.7 miles away in Pecos, Texas. We killed the first hour or so sitting in stop-and-go traffic. Once on the open road, we encountered probably the worst headwind I have experienced. This, coupled with an 80-mph speed limit, wasn't a good combination for efficiency. The Jeep drank 21.4 gallons, which calculates to 19.8 mpg -- a little over 1 mpg shy of the EPA city rating. The following tank brought us to Benson, Arizona, 440.3 miles closer to home. The wind had subsided a bit, but was still present. This time, the Jeep took 18.8 gallons, returning 23.4 mpg -- better, but still nowhere near EPA numbers. The final leg racked up another 544.1 miles with roughly the last 110 dealing with San Diego and Orange County traffic. Our last fill-up required 21.1 gallons to fill the tank, giving us 25.8 mpg for that leg, and an average of 22.9 mpg for the entire trip. Fuel economy kept improving over the following week, jumping to 26.4 mpg in combined driving during evaluation loops.
#9666 of 11692 Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel [gagrice]
Jun 15, 2013 (4:52 pm)
I am a bit confused about their confusion. Given that Edmunds.com lists EPA 17/24 mpg for the 14 JGC diesel 4 wheel drive, it woud appear to be hitting and exceeding its mpg "marks" ? .
As with the VW Touareg TDI, the JGC diesel seems to be optimized for 80 to 81 mph. They didn't mention rpm, so in a sense it conceals more than it reveals.
As a point of comparison, the 13 VW T TDI is 20/29 EPA.
#9667 of 11692 Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel [ruking1]
Jun 15, 2013 (4:56 pm)
Edmunds uses the EPA mileage ratings. As of this time the EPA does not have the JGC diesel ratings listed. Jeep on their website show:
Max Highway Driving Range:
21 city / 30 hwy – 4x2
Max Highway Driving Range:
20 city / 28 hwy – 4x4
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal)
The EPA does not have a listing for the GLK250 Bluetec either.
#9668 of 11692 Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jun 15, 2013 (5:03 pm)
I think the key is the comment that "Fuel economy kept improving."
Some people get EPA mpg out of the gate, but it took a lot of miles for my van to hit its stride.
#9669 of 11692 Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel [gagrice]
Jun 15, 2013 (5:04 pm)
Sounds like it is a case of the early testing catching up to the logistics.
#9670 of 11692 Re: 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel [steve_]
Jun 15, 2013 (6:55 pm)
I don't have a doubt about the JGC beating the EPA estimates. You really cannot depend on the auto publications to give a vehicle a fair shake on mileage runs. What would a Prius get going 80 MPH in a heavy head wind? Blown off the road.
#9671 of 11692 Re: 1984 chevette diesel with factory shocks !? [gagrice]
Jun 16, 2013 (6:38 am)
heh heh. nice parts diagrams. TMI can be fun for automotive geeks.
to make the discussion relevant to diesels i will point out that the heavier front end of the diesel vehicle exacerbates the 100% suspension degradation which is inevitable even with the highest quality suspensions, including those with 2 shocks per wheel.
shocks damping ability becomes effectively *zero* after one decade, never mind two decades... this is independent of whether there is a visible leak.
spring constant of springs degrades, inevitably, and especially after shock performance has degraded. put a new buick on the bumpy wet skidpad and then the 20 year old lexus and see which one can brake/turn/perform, and which one spins out and augers a few orange cones.
on a dry 20 mph drive to the market once per week, i suppose there's not so much worry, eh?
also to make it relevant to diesels we could post the suspension parts diagrams for the chevette diesel . i found a link showing window sticker of a 1984 chevette diesel. $7000. it doesn't include properly here for now however...
#9672 of 11692 Re: 1990 lexus with factory shocks !? [gagrice]
Jun 16, 2013 (7:06 am)
When My wife read it was one of the top 5 cars ever built she decided she wanted to keep it forever.
Gotta keep momma happy. I bought my wife her first Lexus LX in 2003. She decided she would never drive anything else. Next one in 2007, and then a 2013 this last Feb. She drives about 5,000 miles per year so gas cost is not too bad.
I wish she would have been satisfied to stick with the first one !!!
#9673 of 11692 Re: 1984 chevette diesel with factory shocks !? [elias]
Jun 16, 2013 (7:52 am)
shocks damping ability becomes effectively *zero* after one decade, never mind two decades... this is independent of whether there is a visible leak
This really depends on the quality of the original components. I have seen struts kaput at 60000 mi but I have also seen them just fine and more than just capable of handling suspension duties during an emergency maneuver on a bumpy corner with an old 88 4x4 Camry I used to have. I bought it used, but it had the original struts, and that car was still very well composed at 174000 miles. And those miles during its life were not Florida smooth freeways with no frost damage conditions. The roads here are the opposite of that. One thing of note though, it rarely went anywhere with 4 passengers so that is going to help a little I guess.
My friend's 86 Jetta TD struts were complete toast at only 112000 miles.