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#8979 of 11725 Re: GLK250 First Look [Mr_Shiftright]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Apr 28, 2013 (6:58 pm)
If I could go from my current vehicle to one that still meets my needs, but has double the mileage, then my fuel expense gets cut in half. If the van died (for good - the recent broken timing belt doesn't count ), we would likely get a Prius V. The savings should pay most if not all of my current car insurance bill.
I'm ignoring purchase price - most new minivans cost more than a loaded Prius V fwiw.
#8982 of 11725 Re: GLK250 First Look [jayrider]
Apr 29, 2013 (6:22 am)
..."I agree with your conclusion Shifty but folks believe what they want to believe. Nothing wrong with that, it's the human condition. Folks should buy a diesel because they like the way a diesel drives. Forget the economics -- buy it cause you like it and enjoy the difference from gassers.
I bought my Prius in the fall of 2010 when gas prices were dropping so I got a great deal. I didn't buy it for the mpg [nice bonus], I wanted a roomy hatchback with comfy seats. I probably will never live long enough to break even considering I could have bought a Versa for 7k less. I didn't like the Nissan or any other hatch on the market. Personal preference. Critics hammer the way it handles but it drives fine for me. Smooth, quiet comfortable. I doubt anyone's lifestyle is improved from an economic standpoint by driving a VW diesel vs a VW gasser."...
I can see why if the (various) economics of the gas/diesel transactions are ignored, why one can come to the conclusion/s one does. One of the things/ issues I find entertaining from some to all of those very same people is the minor complaining to thoughts of financial armaggeddon on the fluctuations of RUG prices, AND how most folks say they will not switch to D2 because ( per gal) it costs SLIGHTLY more. This is of course in the context of (example) RUG/PUG costs (per mile driven) being 55% MORE.
Apr 29, 2013 (6:33 am)
I have owned 2 VW diesels and one MB. I had great luck with the VW's The MB was ok. What stops me from another diesel is no one has a small car that I like. Here in south Texas they use a tar overlay that has small stones in it. I had a Hyundai Sonata 2011 that was so bad at highway speed that you had to turn the radio off. I drove a friends 2013 VW Passat diesel that was just awful. Much worse than the Hyundai or even my 2006 Chrysler convertible. Of course it was very nice on a smooth road, I now have a sound meter and am now in search of a new car.
#8984 of 11725 Re: underdog [underdog4]
Apr 29, 2013 (8:21 am)
A sound meter will definitely give you feedback about road noise. Yours is the first case I have heard about (real world) where one was used in car selection and specifically diesel vs gasser.
As an FYI to the site large, perceptible DB change is app 2 db. I truly do not know if there is/are a 2 db difference between like- model diesel/gassers. Now my admittedly unmeasured, but anecdotal SOTP feel is the gasser is noisier through the torque band width. I think the difference here is really between the engine design as the FULL torque is available lower rpm in a diesel, vs at higher (noisier) higher rpm for a gasser. The additional function is that max hp on a diesel is not as useful in terms of full torque. In a gasser full torque can be useful and at much higher RPM, aka noisier.
Normally, the MB edges out to outright wins over VW in the customer satisfaction comparison. It would have given you a far better basis of comparison, if you took the GASSER 2013 Passat to see if the "awfulness" was across diesel/RUG/PUG, or if it was just the VW Passat that failed your metric and preferences.
My take on German cars is that they are designed more for the road feel feedback a tad better than say higher end Japanese models and makes who prefer it as "tomb like" as possible.
#8985 of 11725 Re: GLK250 First Look [steve_]
Apr 29, 2013 (8:19 am)
You could have driven a corolla since 99 and saved big it's true -- but you had a nice sized minivan. Even a 2013 minivan won't double your mpg. You could do it with the Prius V but you of course would be downsizing a lot. Depends on your needs in transportation.
#8986 of 11725 Re: GLK250 First Look [jayrider]
Apr 29, 2013 (8:43 am)
I think pretty soon the Prius V will be used in the discussion to tow 1.5 mile freight trains, INXS of 1 M #'s LOL. After all, it's a hybrid.
More in line is the VW T TDI 4974#'s with my posted 32 mpg vs 1994/1996 TLC 4800#'s getting 15 mpg. or 113% better FE. (6 cylinder BOTH)
There are a few folks that continue to go on record saying that IT ( 32 mpg vs 15 mpg, 113% BETTER) is IN significant. RUG is after all, cheaper than diesel corner store prices today are:
#8987 of 11725 Re: GLK250 First Look [jayrider]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Apr 29, 2013 (8:30 am)
We're in downsize mode here; even getting ready to sell my last canoe.
Of course, we've been telling ourselves that for over a decade now and junk keeps accumulating.
The next gas saving scheme will be to put new tires on the van (well, that's wrong too, since bald tires usually get better mpg).
#8988 of 11725 Re: What would it take for me to buy a diesel? [scurvydog42]
Apr 29, 2013 (8:38 am)
"At 5000 miles the oil presure sending unit was moved/extended to accomodate the installation of a high efficiency oil by pass filter."
I like the idea of having the extra qt of oil capacity, but what was your reason for the bypass filter? Is this an additional filter aft of the original? If so then I understand the thinking. When I read bypass, is when I'm not sure..Perhaps this filter is meant to filter any oil that the original chooses to bypass. If so then that makes perfect sense and combined with the extra oil capacity can only help to extend overall engine longevity. IMO, the engine oil lubing is likely not as much at risk with OEM stock design as the fuel system. There is a far greater chance of buying contaminated fuel, and with today's super high pump PSI's and complex injector atomizations, I think if I were buying a new TDI, I would be tempted to see if there is an additional fuel filtering system to invest in first. Of course if you invest in both..guess the next big dollar weak link will be? I'm thinking transmission..
I too would like to see an extra economical diesel p/u. In order for me to have the *extra* economical ability, since 4 WD would also have to be part of the package, I'd also be fine with a small to mid-sized truck. In an ideal world, not too big, but designed still to be able to slip a pc of plywood between the wheel wells...I guess basically Dodge Dakota sized. The width doesn't have to be there in the box for the 4' clearance, but it does up front to ensure elbow and shoulder room and side crash protection.
I would like to be able to order this truck with ALL options available INDEPENDENT of each other, by ticking off the boxes like in the old days. I'd pay for a heated steering wheel and ventilated seats, and REALLY good seats support-wise, but would not pay for nor want a sunrooof or auto-climate control.
I'd be fine with a 4 or 5 cylinder and agree on the inline engine config for longevity and smoothness. I also would be fine if it was not a torque monster in the excess because there goes the economy potential. I spent a w/e with friends in their ML350 diesel, and while 400+ ftlbs is intoxicating and a real giggle at times, basically that same vehicle would be just fine and tow capable if it had 250 ftlbs. of course if you want to tow a travel trailer etc, then yes...that's where the 6 cyl could come into play, but even in this real world example, the heaviest thing they tow is merely a Seadoo.
My perfect truck would also be SUPER quiet, in both road and wind noise. To me that is even more important than ride as long as the ride is not too sharp. I don't care if I had to pay for triple thickness glass (and all the other measures req'd) to ensure that quiet. I just came back from a w/e with friends and the (only) 2.5 hr drive one way, was almost exhausting with road and wind noise in my CRV. And that noise was created at only 55 and 65 mph..the two most common speeds I did.
Oh ya, of course it MUST have a lo-range capable transfer case for my specific tasks in my area. I work in an area of very steep hills. They are not long but so steep that many are paved driveways going down to the lake/cottage to avoid erosion from big rainfalls. Lo-range around here is literally a fuel/clutch/torque converter saver.
Fewer computers and dealer dependency would be my fantasy ending on this truck. And FWIW..I'm not yet convinced that I would trust GM again, and I have been boycotting Ford for 25 years now. I suppose if one of them actually offered what I described above, I might reconsider GM. I think out of principle I would have to continue my boycott with Ford for life even though they have tempted me with certain vehicles at times.
And to echo gagrice's welcome...hope you enjoy the board here.