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#8969 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 28, 2013 (10:26 am)
So TOTALLY independent of ME, ( what my results or thoughts are, indeed the figures you posted are not mine), the difference for TDI's (AVERAGE) is/are 53.3% BETTER mpg than gassers.
So buying fuels a 96150 resort location: 3.69 RUG/3.89 PUG/3.89 D2
The price per mile driven are:
PUG (3.89/27.6 mpg)= .141 cents per mile driven
D2 (3.89/42.3 mpg)= .092 cents per mile driven
RUG being (also) 53.3% MORE per mile driven.
I am thinking you are not thinking or even really saying they are equal, but I am projecting here.
#8970 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [ruking1]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 28, 2013 (10:24 am)
Well I think it terms of gallonage per year, not percentages.
So for the average driver it's about 160 gallons a year difference.
So clearly there is no great advantage to owning a TDI vs. a gas engine equivalent because the payoff is too long.
#8971 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 28, 2013 (11:47 am)
The average US consumer (average yearly mileage driven) is 12,000 to 15,000. (Steve has indicated in a past post) European average mileage 9,000 (converted from kms of course and with lower average mileage diesel would make even less counterintuitive sense? ) would again contradict your opinion.
There has been HUGE cut backs in (US) consumer use, in bought RUG/PUG, as prices have hit record levels. Indeed if the reelected BO administations has its way ever closer to $10.00 per gal RUG/PUG. Part of the (food chains) legislative to regulatory call for even higher prices per (gallonage) or a tax on MILEAGE is due to the decrease revenues (gallonage) in even higher cost per mile driven costs !!!! ???? Not to get political but the mideast as long since been chosen as the bellweather of stability or lack there of , on the issue.
So yes, it is an agree to disagree, even as I understand 95% of the passenger vehicle fleet owners will pay more per mile driven. Basically there are HUGE DISCONNECTS. (the talk does not follow the walk or the walk does not follow the talk).
So in effect (given the diesel vs gasser Golf example), I am just one of the outliers (less than 5%) that has chosen to pay less per mile driven, acutally USE LESS "gallonage", as most folks (95% of the vehicle fleet that own gassers) chose to pay more and actually use MORE gallonage (55% MORE) : specific to the example 53%+ MORE.
I am ok with that, as are most of the folks that chose to pay more seem to be.
I had to pay off $236 in extra cost/s for the 2003 VW Jetta TDI, over the 1.8 turbo gasser. Again, just running the numbers on edmunds.com, the TDI resale values are $1,435 TI, $1,653 PP, $2,037 DC MORE for the TDI. Defacto those figures will turn out to be an INVESTMENT??? Right now the return is 608%/10 years or 61% a year. I wish I could do that in the stock market !!!!
This is not even counting the extra cost of fuel difference. So today's prices $3.89, $3.89, 27.6mpg/42.3 mpg/180,000 miles (gallonage) is 6,522 - 4,255 gals or 2,267 gals (3.89) MORE or $8,818 more.
So in that sense, you are 100% correct (for that 95% of US gasser owners). Most gassers owners are willing (to project past the VW Golf gassers case) willing to pay $10,000+ MORE for the same mileage (180,000) driven.
#8972 of 11709 Diesel car is becoming a favorite of masses
Apr 28, 2013 (10:55 am)
We mostly consider price, look, size and performance while deciding to buy a car. The price of gas is quickly reaching the price of diesel gas, helping make diesel an attractive alternative for prospective car buyers. Another factor that might make diesel a more attractive option is the fact that they tend to fetch a better resale value than their gas powered counterpart. Today you will find most of the high end car makers are offering diesel options making it a favorite choice of masses.
#8973 of 11709 Re: Diesel car is becoming a favorite of masses [canewhite]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Apr 28, 2013 (11:18 am)
What is the price of gas in India where you are compared with diesel?
#8974 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 28, 2013 (2:16 pm)
I agree with your conclusion Shifty but folks believe what they want to believe. Nothing wrong with that, it's the human condition. Folks should buy a diesel because they like the way a diesel drives. Forget the economics -- buy it cause you like it and enjoy the difference from gassers.
I bought my Prius in the fall of 2010 when gas prices were dropping so I got a great deal. I didn't buy it for the mpg [nice bonus], I wanted a roomy hatchback with comfy seats. I probably will never live long enough to break even considering I could have bought a Versa for 7k less. I didn't like the Nissan or any other hatch on the market. Personal preference. Critics hammer the way it handles but it drives fine for me. Smooth, quiet comfortable. I doubt anyone's lifestyle is improved from an economic standpoint by driving a VW diesel vs a VW gasser.
#8975 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [jayrider]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Apr 28, 2013 (3:09 pm)
Stuff like that adds up over the years though. I've spend ~$21k on gas for my '99 minivan that gets 21 combined. Double the mpg and we're talking ten grand in savings over a decade or so.
#8977 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [steve_]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 28, 2013 (6:40 pm)
"Indeed if the reelected BO administations has its way ever closer to $10.00 per gal RUG/PUG. "
The U. S. government doesn't set the price of gasoline and can't really affect it very much. If the office of president were abolished tomorrow, it wouldn't affect the price of gasoline.
RE: Resale value of diesels ----depends on the manufacturer
RE: "The Payoff" --- 12,000 miles per year over 10 years saves a TDI owner about $6500 in fuel, so the first 5 years are for paying off the extra cost of the diesel engine, and the next five years are actually "savings".
So in ten years you save about $3200 in fuel costs, or $320 a year.
#8978 of 11709 Re: GLK250 First Look [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 28, 2013 (6:57 pm)
Well on just one level it makes one wonder why don't they just get out of the oil regulation bit ness!! ?? The government is actually involved in and EVERY level of the oil food chain. The truth is at the macro level is the governments make more monies from oil than the oil companies for as much money as oil companies make !!