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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 27, 2009 3:37 am) |
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For more diesels to be offered by more manufacturers. Clean diesel is not an oxymoron like clean coal. It's not perfect, but it could be a short-term solution to just gasoline. A diesel electric hybrid would offer quite a bit of performance and even more economy. The the new ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel and new engine designs, you cannot tell a diesel is a diesel now except by looking at the engine itself or the tachometer (diesels run lower rpm then gas). Yes, diesel is more expensive, but you still burn less fuel. Plus, the more diesels they build and the more diesel refined, the more the cost is defrayed, eventually lowering the cost for consumers. Unfortunately, gas is cheap again,making everyone forget last summer. I guess it's kinds of a good thing, since more people(like me) are losing their jobs everyday. Imagine the trouble we'd be in if gas was still $4.00/gal. |
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 -- hehe don't care to much about the smell as long as it is clean it can stink so to say. What I complained about was the smell of unburnt hydro carbons (pore combustion), particles (and you don't need to bike to suffer from that one).... in other words the nasty stuff not the smell it self. Na it's right we might never get 100% green, as everything will require some sort of energy to make. However I think it's will go less energy to produce a bike of 20 lbs than a car of 2000 lbs. Grin nope will not go into the toss about the energy it takes to get the food to the store etc.. and thats more than it takes to get the gas to the gas tank so to say. So how would you get around in a densely created city like, NY or London? Take the car? Don't think so, it take 2 hours to get to the city center in a car and 45 min with bike, train and sneakers .. Cheers Dyna PS: I'm a she
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Replying to: Dynas (Jan 27, 2009 7:40 am) Of course it would not be rocket science to project what that would do to the economy of London UK, as we know it, and the others. While I can not speak for others, nor even the examples I cite, CA is experiencing a trend exodus. But then politicians spend all their energies making the environments down right hostile to business (people also) then when they move out, wonder why they all moved !!!! This is exactly what is happening in the municipality where I live. The local councilperson did everything under the powers to drive folks and business out. Now as mayor, wonders what can be done to attract business and people.  
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Replying to: Dynas (Jan 27, 2009 7:40 am) So you are a lady in London that does not like the exhaust blowing in your face while riding your bike. I suppose if I could put myself in your situation I might feel as you do. I always picture London as it is in Lovejoy, one of my favorite series. I do imagine much of the diesel smell that you are getting in the city comes from delivery trucks, many of which don't have much in the way of particulate traps. All the recent diesels sold in the USA are very clean compared to those sold in the 1980s. The biggest issue was the fuel being cleaned of sulfur. That is where the nasty smell came from. I am just getting ready for the alternatives to become available for diesel. Such as biodiesel made from algae. Nothing much being worked on that will directly replace gasoline. So what ever you are burning now will be the same in 10-20 years. Unless someone comes up with a viable substitute for unleaded gas. We don't want to run you off. We like to hear what is going on in other parts of the world.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 27, 2009 1:23 pm) |
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 27, 2009 2:02 pm) Pollution Tax Not Effective Kelly's team now plans to determine whether the new restrictions improve the air - and people's health. "If you can demonstrate a health benefit, then you would imagine the public would be more enthusiastic for a scheme where they would have to dip into their pockets every day." London's poor air quality tackled with launch of Low Emission Zone The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: "Thousands of Londoners suffer ill-health from pollution released by traffic fumes and seven out of ten Londoners are concerned about the impact of air pollution. The new study looked at the effects on 60 people with mild and moderate asthma of walking along the western end of busy Oxford Street in London, where only diesel-powered taxis and buses are permitted. The researchers, from Imperial College London, the New Jersey School of Public Health, and other international institutions, found that both during and after a two hour walk along Oxford Street, the test volunteers experienced increased asthmatic symptoms, reduced lung capacity, and inflammation in the lungs. It took a few hours for these to return to their normal levels. The researchers confirmed their results by comparing how the same people were affected by a two hour walk in the traffic-free, western part of London's Hyde Park. Here, the volunteers experienced some of the same problems but to a far lesser degree. This is the first study to investigate in a real-life setting, outside of the laboratory, if traffic fumes make symptoms worse for people with asthma. Two thirds of people with asthma believe this to be the case, according to Asthma UK. The researchers believe that diesel exhausts cause problems for people with asthma because of the particulates - minute particles of dust, dirt, soot and smoke - which they release into the air. Particulates come in different sizes but those of less than 2.5 microns, and the tiniest "ultra fine" ones, can interfere with the respiratory system, because they are so tiny that they can be inhaled deeply into the lungs. Ultra fine particles can also be absorbed in the blood, which may have damaging effects. Until clean diesel engines circa-2007 and later are the norm, diesel exhaust will still be a major problem in tightly-packed European cities. You can love diesel cars all you want, but don't try to ignore the health issues caused by diesel exhaust in the process of your love affair. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 28, 2009 7:14 am) Actually that goes back hundreds if not at least a thousand years (read BEFORE automobiles.)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 28, 2009 7:14 am)
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