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#8697 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [flightnurse]
Mar 28, 2013 (10:20 am)
I know modern MBs should be able to hit 200K without many mechanical or structural glitches - but I do worry about the electronics. I think most 2010+ cars will be able to hit that mileage fairly easily.
#8698 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 28, 2013 (1:53 pm)
Hmmm....are there any $45,000 range / 4 cylinder diesels being sold now? I'm trying to think.
I just spent an hour with a very knowledgeable BMW salesman. He told me the i328 will be here soon with a 4 cylinder diesel. He is hoping for the X3 with the same engine. I asked about X5 diesel sales. He told me it is way ahead of the V6 gassers. When people find out you get a $3500 Eco credit from BMW they jump on the diesel.
A lot of things to like about the X5D.
50,000 total free service including brakes, wipers etc.
Best handling on my list.
gobs of acceleration 0-60 in 6.9 secs.
NAV updates done by recall.
And a few I don't like.
Deal breaker:Run Flat tires
Small NAV screen
He claims run flat tires are vastly improved.
#8699 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [gagrice]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Mar 28, 2013 (3:57 pm)
I'm surprised to hear that. The X5 diesel doesn't get very good MPG. It's barely 3 MPG more than the gasser 6 (26 hwy vs 23 hwy) . For $56,000 bucks, a $3500 rebate swings the deal toward the diesel? Er.....well, if he says so...
#8700 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 28, 2013 (5:41 pm)
Historically most to all US market BMW's have not gotten good fuel mileage. But as you have stated more than once, good fuel mileage is or has never been a top priority for BMW owners.
Going forward however, I think that BMW has to improve on that metric. I think they also face regulatory monetary penalties if they do not.
Mar 28, 2013 (5:33 pm)
The gas 328 gets pretty good mpg. 34 EPA hwy and under 6 seconds to 60. Pretty darn good combo. And the rear seats are finally hospitable.
#8702 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [flightnurse]
Mar 28, 2013 (5:42 pm)
I would agree with you, but why lease a car at all, for me it is not a valid choice ( I know others think differently and that's fine). I think a lot of people think that leasing is a wonderful thing and they get something the could otherwise not afford, I don't think they are going to worry about whether they are reaping the benefits or not as long as they can convince themselves they are getting a benefit. Of course this is all assuming the car drives well in the first place, for all I know it could be awful. I know what you mean about the tank like feel of older cars ( in my case it was The old RWD Volvos, they were solid and you knew they were built to last) and I doubt they are made that well anymore ( Mercedes as well). I thi they might still have some of that built in, but nowhere near what they used to, there is too much gadgetry in them nowadays.
#8703 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [Mr_Shiftright]
Mar 28, 2013 (7:30 pm)
For $56,000 bucks, a $3500 rebate swings the deal toward the diesel? Er.....well, if he says so.
According to Edmunds the comparably equipped V6 gasser is only MSRP $1500 less. You don't get leather with the stripped model. You have to get the Premium to be comparable. So after the $3500 rebate the diesel is less than the gasser.
#8704 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [scwmcan]
Mar 28, 2013 (7:44 pm)
True enough about the gadgetry and such, and today's world is so competitive that when contract parts suppliers aren't able to deliver on spec..for the long haul..you end up with recalls. And that's only if nothing catastrophic happens first to reveal the recall need.
That said, the one area mfrgrs have excelled in lately is in corrosion resistance. And if you have that, at least you can keep rebuilding other failing systems. I notice now in winter parking lots that even systems like leaking steel gas tanks are becoming rarer every winter as the old clunkers finally succumb to other corrosion on the body panels and unibody sub-suspension assembly mounting areas.
In another thread there is mention of how dependent our cars have become on electronics and software upgrades and reflashes etc. I tend to agree that it's the next real potential concern for long term owners. And..IMO, it's not happening by accident. Mfrgrs...one way or the other...are designing their cars to have to come back to the dealer for repair. It is criminal really. You buy a car outright. Pay their price in whole. It should be YOURS. 100%!..Instead we get significant caveats and omissions.. like the software with which is used for your car to work. When something goes wrong or a bug is discovered..we find out that that part of the car we don't own at all! And NEVER will! It's wrong on a number of levels.
Perhaps crap like this can make a stronger case for leasing eventually..but because residuals will go up predictably, depreciation (fear in the mind of the next and subsequent owners who purchase it used) will ensure that leasing costs themselves will probably rise compared to what we've ever seen so far..
#8705 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [gimmestdtranny]
Mar 29, 2013 (2:45 am)
I agre with you about the corrosion resistance, it is getting pretty rare to see a car with rust on the rads, even up here, and if you do see one it is usually over 10 years old, a big difference from the past when you would see 3 year old cars with rust on them. Yes you can repair the other systems, if you can afford them, and if the manufactures still carry the parts, they sem to be obsoleting parts sooner than was the norm in the past, I can remaber going to the dealer for 20 year old car parts, don't know that you could go for say a new ecu for a 20 year old car today (or in the future), I think that is where the tech is going to cause problems for longevity, I think the mechanicals generally last longer nowadays, but the tech may not last ad long. Personally I don't need the latest gadgets in my car, I do like abs , traction control, and the airbags for safety, but don't need nav, fancy user interfaces instead of a plain store and proper knobs for the climate control, don't need a touch screen in the car etc, this is the stuff that generally needs the software updates to remain current/bug free and it is the stuff I could care less about having myself.
#8706 of 11692 Re: GLK diesel. [scwmcan]
Mar 29, 2013 (5:04 am)
but don't need nav, fancy user interfaces instead of a plain store and proper knobs for the climate control, don't need a touch screen in the car etc, this is the stuff that generally needs the software updates to remain current/bug free and it is the stuff I could care less about having myself.
After having all that in my Sequoia, I have to agree with you. My NAV was 3 years out of date when I bought the SUV. They want $500 for a newer out of date DVD. The NAV CD player died on the vehicle. Took months to get a replacement from the factory in India. A person can get a Verizon Jet Pack and a cheap 10 inch Tablet that will give up to the minute traffic and directions via Google maps. The sad part is most diesel SUVs I am interested in put all that crapolla in as standard equipment.