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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1503 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 24, 2009 9:58 am)  I have read that the US is Venuezula's top customer  upwards of 93% of that countries oil production.   Financial news has it, (actually a swag) he needs sustained $ 80. oil ( per barrel) for his political stability.  Gee I wonder if banana peel waste is good for bio diesel? He had a bout of mocking HIS best customer...... now this could not be turn around? So yes, be VERY careful for what one wishes.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 24, 2009 10:07 am) And yeah, without expensive oil, his political (and real) capital is way down.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 24, 2009 10:09 am) I think that clean coal is still a bit worse than clean diesel. The EU seems very happy with diesel without Urea on the bigger ones. When you look at total emissions, diesel comes out looking better than gasoline. There is a LOT of false data floating around in the USA about harmful diesel emissions. I would guess most can be traced to oil company money. They have a lot of excess gasoline and not so much excess distillates to sell. Most of it is old data based on engines without particulate filters and not using ULSD. I would like to see a side by side comparison of a Jetta 4 cylinder gas and TDI. Look at all the emissions. Not cherry pick as CARB & the EPA have done.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 11:29 am) 48 mpg when 22 mpg will do.....??? & up to 18% MORE (LESS than 22 mpg or 18 mpg) in the winter !! |
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 24, 2009 9:19 am) Pure percentage wise it is good. Actual money saved not so good. Trading is out of the question. I would say after beating the BMW guy down to say $5000 under invoice, I will be paying about $48k for a loaded X5 35D. At that point they would beat me down to a trade-in of about $25k on my near new Sequoia with 8K miles on it. That means it cost me $2 per mile in depreciation. Not my style. So you see I would have to sell my Sequoia for about $38k which I would say is doable considering the miles and condition. Plus it still has almost 6 years of Platinum warranty left. After which I would probably buy a used 2008 Mercedes ML 320 CDI that is really more plush than the X5. And does not require that Urea injection crap.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 12:18 pm) As an alreadly known entity, the fleet of (gasser) SUV's took app 35 years to go from less than 2% of the fleet to 12% of the fleet.... Lights, camera, sound, action!!! As an aside, 2% of the passenger vehicle fleet is diesel. Of that % and number, 2%, upwards of 93% are diesel "so called" light trucks. History shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, the policy has been and probably continues to be one of higher consumption.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 24, 2009 12:34 pm) |
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A new set of tools! never liked diesels never will, they stink, literally! Unless your towing, plowing, or any other heavy duty work, no thanks! All my diagnostic tools are for gasoline engines, and I don't see many passenger cars still on the road that tried to go diesel. (vw, nissan)
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Replying to: jkugler (Jan 24, 2009 5:02 pm) |
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Replying to: jkugler (Jan 24, 2009 5:02 pm) Lets compare Gasoline and Diesel engines for a moment... Oil pressure -- SAME Air in... exhaust out -- SAME Cooling system -- SAME Power steering (some are electric) -- SAME AirConditioning -- SAME ABS brakes -- SAME Intake/Exhaust Valves -- SAME Crankshaft -- SAME CamShaft --SAME ThrottleValve -- NONE ON DIESEL IgnitionSystem -- NONE ON DIESEL Gee - it looks as if diesel has LESS stuff on it than gasoline engine.... This is another reason Diesel is more reliable. PS: The lack of throttleValve on Diesel engine is main reason it gets better MPG.... Unlike a gasoline engine which constantly sucking a vacuum against the throttle valve, a diesel engine is allowed to freely breathe as much air as it wants. (This is also why when you let off the throttle of a Diesel, the car barely slows down... no throttleValve to cause a vacuum) |
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