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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Another eco friendly choice for the EU by gagrice
Jan 24, 2009 (5:46 am)
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Another diesel choice I would consider. Smaller than I like, but it is hard to argue with a CUV that gets 48 MPG combined.
 

 
Peugeot
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Too bad Jose is the only one that will get the option. We get CUVs that are lucky to top 22 MPG. Pretty pathetic for the Once most powerful Nation on earth. No freedom of choice. Before long it will be only cars designed in Washington DC built by the Nationalized car company.
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [gagrice] by jlbl
Jan 24, 2009 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 5:46 am)

I've posted a couple of times here how glad I was when driving a rented BMW 128d last winter up to Chamonix, Les Alpes, and then back down to sea level; two persons and full luggage sliding in heavy traffic along 3,000 miles. Really, I shouldn't have asked for more, and my wife kept telling me it when I decided to bought the 335 coupe (no urea tank, by the way ).
 
On the other hand, I am aware North Americans do not like 4cyl. engines. But the truth is there is so many excellent items to choose among them right now! From BMW and Audi through Peugeot/Citroen/Nissan down to many others. Regarding economy and efficiency, 4cyl. engines (diesels but not only diesels) are an excellent compromise to most town&road passenger traffic. But fighting against tradition-based biases is a difficult thing to do, I understand.
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [jlbl] by gagrice
Jan 24, 2009 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jan 24, 2009 7:05 am)

I would love to buy a car with EU delivery and tour for a month. I have never been to Europe. The castles intrigue me the most. There are only a few models with diesel that can be brought back to the USA. I am not interested in anything else. My wife likes the E320 CDI to replace her LS400. That may be our only diesel option for EU delivery.
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [gagrice] by jlbl
Jan 24, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 7:18 am)

I would love to buy a car with EU delivery and tour for a month.
 
Do it (not only for the castles)!
 
Regards,
Jose
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jan 24, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 5:46 am)

Too bad Jose is the only one that will get the option
 
Never say never - stranger things have happened:
 
Threesome: Fiat Looks To Link With Peugeot as Well as Chrysler, Reports Say (AutoObserver)
 
"Now, it appears the two companies could, for no investment, place Fiat, Renault and Peugeot cars in Chrysler showrooms and potentially shoulder out the vehicles of the fading Chrysler, nurturing only the still-attractive Jeep brand and possibly Chrysler's pickups."
 
Chrysler-Fiat Alliance Gets More Interesting With PSA Presence (AutoObserver)
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [steve_] by ruking1
Jan 24, 2009 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 24, 2009 8:48 am)

It will be interesting to see how the pay for play political angles will be for this and subsequent mergers.
 
Really what CAN Congress say? No and be the sugar momma/daddy for the big four GM/Ford/Chrysler/UAW, a failing industry even by their own and Congressional testimony accounts (Bail out monies)?
 
Gagrice's issue:
 
 I think he and others have made the point the Congressional, executive, regulatory, logistical systems etc,etc., likes GREATER/better fuel consumption. It is as easy as do you really want folks to switch fast? Here is an easy one make diesel fuel cheaper than gas. Want them to switch even faster ? Give diesel fuel and cars meaning full TAX CREDITS.
 
Most thinking folks do not need a 2x4 across the forehead to see that 48 mpg (in a comparable CUV) is better than 22 mpg???.
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 24, 2009 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 24, 2009 8:48 am)

I thought Renault and Nissan were sleeping together. A friend had a funky Peugeot a long time ago. He liked it and it got great mileage. It seems like it was diesel also. I think that Chrysler could pull off a coup on GM with such an alliance. If the EPA is really interested in high mileage cars coming to the USA. I think they are in bed with the Oil companies quite frankly. We will see how the new head of the EPA deals with the superior mileage offered by modern CLEAN diesel technology. We have plenty of mediocre small gas cars like the Yaris and Fit. We need some small cars that push the 60 MPG mark without all the crazy hybrid crap.
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [ruking1] by gagrice
Jan 24, 2009 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 24, 2009 9:01 am)

Most thinking folks do not need a 2x4 across the forehead to see that 48 mpg is better than 22 mpg???
 
Not many in this country I am afraid. I have said it all along. If the mileage is high enough I will give up some comfort. I can tell you I am NOT going to give up the comfort of my Sequoia for a lousy 10 MPG gain. That is why I am torn on going with the new BMW X5 diesel. It is only rated about 7 MPG better than the Sequoia. I would give up size and some comfort. I would gain mileage, performance and handling. So it is tempting. Reports lead me to believe I could get 30 MPG on the open road.
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jan 24, 2009 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 9:04 am)

I hitched up to Arctic Valley in a Peugeot wagon one time (no idea if it was a diesel - we weren't coughing by the side of the road so my guess is that it was a gasser ). It was plush, and it took us a while to figure out what it was. Then another friend got one and the Anchorage dealer closed within a year and he couldn't get it worked on. Took a bath on it.
 
One of my links said that the Lion would be coming out with a diesel-electric hybrid next year.
 
CLEAN diesel - is that like clean coal?
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Re: Another eco friendly choice for the EU [gagrice] by ruking1
Jan 24, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 24, 2009 9:12 am)

Well that is really the sound of one hand clapping. So given 7mpg savings /15 mpg -what you currently get in the Sequoia= 47% better fuel mileage!!!!!! ?????? This is absolutely HUGE !!!!!
 
Indeed if folks want to peruse the Edmunds.com article about it, truly making the SUV's/PU/big car segments diesel would probably yield the most savings.

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