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#8454 of 11801 Re: For Gary [ruking1]
Feb 28, 2013 (4:57 pm)
Given his postings, I am swagging it will take an OVERWHELMING diesel Jeep package to go to Am iron even with MB diesel. Anything he has already looked at has a better P/P ratio. Seems Jeep is trying to get as much $'s as they can, given MB/BMW/VW's success/es.
The WSJ (?) made a BIG deal about the Kokomo, IN (Beach Boy's song fame) transmission plant for the new 8 speed A/T and a bump in jobs. Diesels were not specifically mentioned. While I wish them EVERY success, the record is hard to overcome. The NEW 8 speed A/T if it passes the durability and reliability hoops will be a fine cornerstone going forward. While I didn't read them to indicate, it is probably a license from ZF.
#8455 of 11801 Re: For Gary [ateixeira]
Feb 28, 2013 (5:00 pm)
0-60 in 7.7s is solid, but $57k is a bit spendy.
I think the guy was impressed. To get the ML350 Bluetech with real leather etc, would be at least that much. Thanks for the Video....May as well enjoy the money. It is losing value sitting in the bank.
#8456 of 11801 Re: For Gary [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 28, 2013 (5:09 pm)
The "plain ole" Cherokee will get a 9 speed.
Chrysler Ramps Up Production of Eight- and Nine-Speed Transmissions
When the automakers routinely hit 10-speeds, I'm going to go full circle, sell my bike and get a fixie.
In the news:
Jeep Wrangler diesel likely after 2015 model refresh (autoblog.com)
Meanwhile, over the pond, "The French government is planning on raising taxes on diesel fuel, branding it a “health issue”, much to the chagrin of consumers and the country’s auto industry.
France’s environment minister, Delphine Bartho, told French radio (via Bloomberg) that a study by the WHO showed that diesel fumes presented a significant health hazard, and the French government would move to raise taxes on the fuel to help soften demand."
France Hikes Taxes On Diesel Fuel, Auto Makers Protest (thetruthaboutcars.com)
The "rest" of the story is pretty interesting since "Current Euro 5 standards for diesel engines are exceedingly tough, and PSA already has diesel powered models capable of emitting a Prius-like 100 grams of CO2 per km."
Follow the (tax) money.
#8457 of 11801 Re: For Gary [ruking1]
Feb 28, 2013 (5:08 pm)
While I didn't read them to indicate, it is probably a license from ZF.
The first ones will come from ZF in Germany. I imagine they will license the design.
"As you know, this is the sole region where we manufacture transmissions," said Sergio Marchionne, Chrysler chairman. "And including all of the nearby facilities, it will be the largest transmission installation in the world."
The announcement means new jobs, lots of them.
More than 1,200 people will be hired by the time the expansion is complete at the end of 2014, bringing Chrysler's area employment to more than 7,000 people.
Gov. Mike Pence said it's a comeback story for the company and the area and a sign that Indiana continues to excel at manufacturing.
#8458 of 11801 Re: For Gary [steve_]
Feb 28, 2013 (5:52 pm)
..."Chrysler did not respond immediately to queries from Edmunds asking about production plans for the nine-speed transmission.
The Kokomo, Indiana-built eight-speed transmission is set for the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Charger. Chrysler noted that the 2013 Dodge Charger is the first domestic sport sedan to feature an eight-speed automatic transmission."...
I'd say that unless you have insider information to the contrary, as a minimum a wait and/to see approach is probably in order. Indeed www.edmunds.com data indicates ... " a new eight-speed transmission and a 3.0-liter diesel engine."...
I do not have any ZF 8/9 speed AT's experiences (that I know of) but I am pretty satisfied with the Aisin 8 speed A/T. On other sites, there are certainly folks that have minor to serious issues with it. I had ZERO issues initially. Once past my wait and see approach, STILL have ZERO issues and like it a lot. It did take a certain amount of time to better "integrate" the 2 extra gears. Going back to anything less seems, a year later almost incomprehensible.
In that sense, it has been well mated (etc.etc) with the 3.0 TDI. It is seamless to the less involved passenger car users. BUT is plenty well adapted for those more "engaged". I am guessing an extra gear or 9 speed will probably be geared for better mpg and cruising rpm.