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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: not trucking on? [steve_] by bpeebles
Jan 17, 2009 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 16, 2009 8:41 pm)

Another short-sighted, dumb a$$ decesion by Detroit. I am now questioning if they will ever learn.
 
I am ready to replace my Dodge Dakota (semi-hemi V8) with a Dak powerd with a 4-cylinder detroit diesel. Dodge has manufactured these things in Brazil for a long time... all they have to to is bring them to North America!
 
I want a pickup truck which is diesel... but NOT full-sized and NOT designed for raw pulling abilities. VW used to build the Rabbit-Pickup in Latrobe Pennslyvania. Toyota used to sell small diesel pickups too.
 
I also question the use of the words "comparitivly powered gasoline engine"... just what does this mean? Deisels are not really big on horsePower, they rely on TORQUE to motivate the vehicle. Comparing the power between gasoline and diesel is just plain stupid.
 
My VW Jetta TDI is rated at 90 HorsePower.... but can easilly out-accellerate a gasoline engine with same displacement engine.
 
As they say -- > People buy horsepower... but drive torque.
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Re: not trucking on? [bpeebles] by gagrice
Jan 17, 2009 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Jan 17, 2009 7:46 pm)

People buy horsepower... but drive torque.
 
That is because people in this country are not educated to the pleasure of driving a modern diesel vehicle. Once you drive one it is hard to go back to a gas engine. Especially a little 4 banger screaming gas engine. Never again for me.
 
Gas is for the masses...
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Re: not trucking on? [gagrice] by ruking1
Jan 17, 2009 (8:47 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 17, 2009 8:32 pm)

As much as I appreciate the Honda Civic (4 cylinder gasser) , and for a HOST of reasons; the gasser is almost getting to be annoying to drive in comparison to the diesel Jetta's.
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Now that Wayne Gerdes is FAMOUS.... by ruking1
Jan 18, 2009 (7:41 am)
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He no longer seems to post on www.Edmunds.com !?
 
I also would like to see him do a hypermiling gig on a diesel (Honda Accord). He of course made it famous for a 59 mpg on a gasser.
 
With NO real hypermileage techniques, it was literally a no brainer to get 59 mpg 75 mph with bursts to 80 mph on a past 3 state and from a foreign country trip (from Vancouver BC, CN), in a 03 Jetta TDI.
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Re: not trucking on? [ruking1] by ruking1
Jan 19, 2009 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 17, 2009 8:47 pm)

But then on the other hand www.Edmunds.com had this press release October 24,2008
 
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..."Honda Civic Least Expensive Vehicle to Own Over Five Years"...
 
but lower on the decision tree, coulda would shoulda been a DIESEL (Honda Civic DX-VP 4 dr Sedan ????
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Re: Now that Wayne Gerdes is FAMOUS.... [ruking1] by larsb
Jan 19, 2009 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 18, 2009 7:41 am)

I think WG left because the hosts were getting too harsh in allowing dissenting discussions.
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Re: Now that Wayne Gerdes is FAMOUS.... [larsb] by ruking1
Jan 19, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 19, 2009 7:54 am)

Well I think that he probably advertantly/inadvertantly strummed a few nerve endings that didn't want to be strummed. The nexus to the diesel thread for my .02cents: IF you apply the same discipline to the diesel engine, the results are far higher/better, than his already stellar 59 mpg with a Honda Accord. I used my easy diesel 59 mpg example. Having said that, the other side of that is TOO much work already !
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335d is more than economical by bigmclargehuge
Jan 19, 2009 (10:08 am)
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What would it take me to buy a diesel?
 
Well, if I were in the market for a new daily-driver, absolutely nothing. I test-drove a 335i automatic and 335d back-back. The 335d was just plain better for what I would use it for.
 
The torque was available everywhere. Shift action was better than the 335i. And acceleration was just as strong at full-tilt.
 
Just a more readily-available powerband than any car I've ever driven. It takes less right pedal to get it to move, and it doesn't hunt for gears as much. Would make a phenominal daily driver.
 
I would definitly consider buying this car because of that more than just the economic factors.
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Re: 335d is more than economical [bigmclargehuge] by jlbl
Jan 19, 2009 (12:10 pm)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Jan 19, 2009 10:08 am)

I would definitely consider buying this car because of that more than just the economic factors.
 
Agreed .
 
Jose
PS: The owner of a 335d coupe for almost a year now. My pleasure.
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Re: 335d is more than economical [jlbl] by gagrice
Jan 19, 2009 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Jan 19, 2009 12:10 pm)

The owner of a 335d coupe for almost a year now. My pleasure.
 
Oh, rub it in our amigo. You probably have a small diesel PU truck also that gets 45 MPG. I guess I could retire over there. What would a nice small wine vineyard in Spain cost me?

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