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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: TDI in the Winter? [investor27] by gregg_vw
Jan 13, 2009 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: investor27 (Jan 13, 2009 10:14 am)

The TDI has been fine in two of the worst winters in decades. Don't forget, the Jetta TDI comes with traction control and stability control. I have AWD on another vehicle, but don't find it that much more useful...you still have to go slow, as it does not help you stop any better. The stability control will warn you and take action if there is slip. BTW I have a steep driveway. If you get two feet of snow, stay off the highways until some clearing has occurred. Otherwise, I have moved along in several inches of snow.
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Back to the original question?.... by ruking1
Jan 15, 2009 (9:55 am)
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The answer is NO turbo diesel premium !!!
 
Now that we are on a roll, D2 cheaper than RUG to PUG.
 
Anything less than that and you can rest assured the "system" is NOT serious about the actual passenger car percentage switch to so called "alternative fuel".
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not trucking on? by steve_ HOST
Jan 16, 2009 (8:41 pm)
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"Remember those diesel-engine light-duty pickups we're supposed to be seeing this year? Get ready to hear the words "back burner" in relation to those product plans.
 
One other factor continues to weigh on the resolve of the Detroit automakers to carry out their diesel-pickup plans: the cost of diesel fuel remains stubbornly high in relation to gasoline. Although diesels are expected to return about 25 percent better fuel economy than a comparably-powered gasoline engine, diesel fuel continues to be priced markedly more than 25 percent higher than gasoline at the retail pump. If the fuel-economy advantage of diesel is erased by the cost of the fuel, the automakers believe even fewer customers will opt to lay out the considerable extra cost for the diesel-engine option"
 
Diesel Pickups Dumped By Detroit? (AutoObserver)
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Re: not trucking on? [steve_] by bpeebles
Jan 17, 2009 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 16, 2009 8:41 pm)

Another short-sighted, dumb a$$ decesion by Detroit. I am now questioning if they will ever learn.
 
I am ready to replace my Dodge Dakota (semi-hemi V8) with a Dak powerd with a 4-cylinder detroit diesel. Dodge has manufactured these things in Brazil for a long time... all they have to to is bring them to North America!
 
I want a pickup truck which is diesel... but NOT full-sized and NOT designed for raw pulling abilities. VW used to build the Rabbit-Pickup in Latrobe Pennslyvania. Toyota used to sell small diesel pickups too.
 
I also question the use of the words "comparitivly powered gasoline engine"... just what does this mean? Deisels are not really big on horsePower, they rely on TORQUE to motivate the vehicle. Comparing the power between gasoline and diesel is just plain stupid.
 
My VW Jetta TDI is rated at 90 HorsePower.... but can easilly out-accellerate a gasoline engine with same displacement engine.
 
As they say -- > People buy horsepower... but drive torque.
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Re: not trucking on? [bpeebles] by gagrice
Jan 17, 2009 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: bpeebles (Jan 17, 2009 7:46 pm)

People buy horsepower... but drive torque.
 
That is because people in this country are not educated to the pleasure of driving a modern diesel vehicle. Once you drive one it is hard to go back to a gas engine. Especially a little 4 banger screaming gas engine. Never again for me.
 
Gas is for the masses...
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Re: not trucking on? [gagrice] by ruking1
Jan 17, 2009 (8:47 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 17, 2009 8:32 pm)

As much as I appreciate the Honda Civic (4 cylinder gasser) , and for a HOST of reasons; the gasser is almost getting to be annoying to drive in comparison to the diesel Jetta's.
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Now that Wayne Gerdes is FAMOUS.... by ruking1
Jan 18, 2009 (7:41 am)
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link title
 
He no longer seems to post on www.Edmunds.com !?
 
I also would like to see him do a hypermiling gig on a diesel (Honda Accord). He of course made it famous for a 59 mpg on a gasser.
 
With NO real hypermileage techniques, it was literally a no brainer to get 59 mpg 75 mph with bursts to 80 mph on a past 3 state and from a foreign country trip (from Vancouver BC, CN), in a 03 Jetta TDI.
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Re: not trucking on? [ruking1] by ruking1
Jan 19, 2009 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 17, 2009 8:47 pm)

But then on the other hand www.Edmunds.com had this press release October 24,2008
 
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..."Honda Civic Least Expensive Vehicle to Own Over Five Years"...
 
but lower on the decision tree, coulda would shoulda been a DIESEL (Honda Civic DX-VP 4 dr Sedan ????
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Re: Now that Wayne Gerdes is FAMOUS.... [ruking1] by larsb
Jan 19, 2009 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 18, 2009 7:41 am)

I think WG left because the hosts were getting too harsh in allowing dissenting discussions.
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Re: Now that Wayne Gerdes is FAMOUS.... [larsb] by ruking1
Jan 19, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 19, 2009 7:54 am)

Well I think that he probably advertantly/inadvertantly strummed a few nerve endings that didn't want to be strummed. The nexus to the diesel thread for my .02cents: IF you apply the same discipline to the diesel engine, the results are far higher/better, than his already stellar 59 mpg with a Honda Accord. I used my easy diesel 59 mpg example. Having said that, the other side of that is TOO much work already !

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