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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2009 8:02 am) VW (one of the standard bearers) has and will continue to benefit; and in fact is constructing a TN plant to put out  least 1 US made diesel model. This is not to say they did not have to suffer along the way (multi million to billion $ losses), due to the over whelming bias AGAINST D2 passenger cars. (less than 1/5 of 1% of the passenger vehicle fleet ( of 254.1 M) is D2 ) So I am sure VW finds itself in a catch 22 situation. They want diesel models to take off, but want NO real competition!? VW will probably TRY to make as much hay as they can while the D2 issues are in the so called "perfect storm" scenario. Almost all the oem's that have signalled an interest in bringing D2 passenger cars have let their schedules slip. 2009 VW TDI's are really the only game in town. BMW is less than 5 per dealership to must order. I called one BMW dealership to inquire and they flat said ZERO inventory, but please come down (see the gassers in stock) to order a D2 BMW 335 D twin turbo. A day later, they had located one from another dealership and had it delivered and I was able to demo; first customer test miles. |
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 12, 2009 10:24 am)
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Replying to: investor27 (Jan 13, 2009 10:14 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 13, 2009 10:59 am) It will be interesting what the actual real world mpg will be. I think anything over 25 mpg ( real world 25-32 mpg) will make the V6 Touareg a hit ! link title |
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Replying to: investor27 (Jan 13, 2009 10:14 am) |
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The answer is NO turbo diesel premium !!!  Now that we are on a roll, D2 cheaper than RUG to PUG. Anything less than that and you can rest assured the "system" is NOT serious about the actual passenger car percentage switch to so called "alternative fuel". |
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"Remember those diesel-engine light-duty pickups we're supposed to be seeing this year? Get ready to hear the words "back burner" in relation to those product plans. One other factor continues to weigh on the resolve of the Detroit automakers to carry out their diesel-pickup plans: the cost of diesel fuel remains stubbornly high in relation to gasoline. Although diesels are expected to return about 25 percent better fuel economy than a comparably-powered gasoline engine, diesel fuel continues to be priced markedly more than 25 percent higher than gasoline at the retail pump. If the fuel-economy advantage of diesel is erased by the cost of the fuel, the automakers believe even fewer customers will opt to lay out the considerable extra cost for the diesel-engine option" Diesel Pickups Dumped By Detroit? (AutoObserver)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 16, 2009 8:41 pm) I am ready to replace my Dodge Dakota (semi-hemi V8) with a Dak powerd with a 4-cylinder detroit diesel. Dodge has manufactured these things in Brazil for a long time... all they have to to is bring them to North America! I want a pickup truck which is diesel... but NOT full-sized and NOT designed for raw pulling abilities. VW used to build the Rabbit-Pickup in Latrobe Pennslyvania. Toyota used to sell small diesel pickups too. I also question the use of the words "comparitivly powered gasoline engine"... just what does this mean? Deisels are not really big on horsePower, they rely on TORQUE to motivate the vehicle. Comparing the power between gasoline and diesel is just plain stupid. My VW Jetta TDI is rated at 90 HorsePower.... but can easilly out-accellerate a gasoline engine with same displacement engine. As they say -- > People buy horsepower... but drive torque.
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Replying to: bpeebles (Jan 17, 2009 7:46 pm) That is because people in this country are not educated to the pleasure of driving a modern diesel vehicle. Once you drive one it is hard to go back to a gas engine. Especially a little 4 banger screaming gas engine. Never again for me. Gas is for the masses...
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 17, 2009 8:32 pm)
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