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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 10, 2009 7:53 am) *Note - these are expected highway figures* 300D - Maybe 25mpg, tops. 15-20 city. No, honest. 240D - About 30mpg. Costly to repair. Kind of a letdown when you consider cars like a modern Civic. People claim they get 40mpg... They don't. 220D - About 30-35mpg highway with a light foot. OK in town. About 25mpg average. 190Dc - 35mpg, easy. Smart people get the 1960s "Fintail" 190D instead of the older "Ponton" 190D.. 31mpg average. +2-3 mpg without air conditioning. (pattern based upon engine size should be clear - heh) 0-60 in 30 seconds. 75 mph top speed. 60-65mph practical top speed. Note - the same era 200D does 0-60 in 25 seconds and has 80mph top speed. 28mpg. It's a lot better for not much less fuel economy. These are highly prized commuting gems, actually, as they keep up with traffic and drive like a more modern car. Same car, just larger engine designed for the U.S. market/highways. Bit taller gearing and bit more torque. Practical top speed is exactly 65mph as well. 180Dc (these are 1950s era - close to 45mpg highway) 40-48HP, though, and close to 40 second 0-60 times. But they DO get 6.3l/100km combined(average). That's 37mpg. I've seen these do nearly 45-50 mpg with careful driving. But they really ARE dangerously slow and not good for modern highways. 70 mph top speed(gearing maximum!). Practical is 55mph on level ground. Just get a 190D or 200D instead. You can pick these up for next to nothing, and there's precious little to actually break as well, since there's not a single piece of electronics anywhere. It really IS a tractor engine stuffed into a car.  http://blogs.trucktrend.com/6276377/suvs/mt-takes-old-tech-to-bluetec-mercedes-b- - - - enz-diesel-across-america-tour/index.html A neat article. He got 40mpg combined out of it. |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 10, 2009 10:30 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 10, 2009 11:07 am) |
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 10, 2009 10:54 am) Good article, that was fun. |
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 10, 2009 10:54 am) Note - the same era 200D does 0-60 in 25 seconds and has 80mph top speed. 28mpg. Funny thig is, if they built a few diesels with this type of acceleration today, they would probably make 100 mpg easy. Too bad they won't do it. |
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 10, 2009 10:54 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 10, 2009 3:39 pm) http://www.kenrockwell.com/190d/index.htm 30-35mpg. Acceptable as an alternative to a typical compact car. Anything with a larger engine, though, is going to be not very thrifty. Oh, and they have made a 30-40 second 0-60 time TDI already. The VW 1 liter car. Okay, it gets 210MPG, not 100... heh. |
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It looks like VW will bring a 3.0L TDI Touareg to the USA this Spring. VW is getting the jump on the Domestics and Japanese. Diesel is the only way to go for good mileage in a heavy SUV. The hybrid SUVs are not much good off road and cannot tow much. I say bring em on. Never too many choices. http://www.vw.com/touaregtdi/en/us/ |
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How are these TDI in the winter? I was up north in Wisconsin and didn't see a single Jetta TDI or BMW 335ix for that matter. Are diesels and turbos a bad idea for us people living in the northern states?
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Replying to: investor27 (Jan 12, 2009 9:15 am) |
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