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#8077 of 9307 Re: - [tifighter] by gagrice

Feb 13, 2013 (4:43 pm)

Replying to: tifighter (Feb 13, 2013 3:13 pm)
Ford is selling their latest generation Ranger T6 with two diesel engines including the inline 5 cylinder. Unfortunately Ford does not want to take a chance on killing their cash cow F150 sales with this much more eco friendly PU truck.
 
The new Ranger will be available in 4x2 and 4x4 with three engines:
 
    2.5L Duratec (L5-VE) petrol engine (122 kW & 226Nm) mated with a 5-speed manual transmission
    2.2L Duratorq TDCi ("PUMA" ZSD-422) diesel engine (88 kW & 285Nm; 92 kW & 330Nm or 110 kW & 375Nm) consumes as little as 7.6 L/100 km (37.2 mpg-imp or 30.9 mpg-US) with choices of 6-speed manual or automatic transmission
    3.2L Duratorq TDCi ("PUMA" P5AT) diesel engine (147 kW & 470 Nm) at 8.4 L/100 km (33.6 mpg-imp or 28.0 mpg-US) with choices of 6-speed manual or automatic transmissionwiki

#8078 of 9307 Re: - [gagrice] by ruking1

Feb 13, 2013 (5:12 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Feb 13, 2013 4:43 pm)
I take it we are talking WORLD ( other than US) market/s Ford Ranger T6 trucks.
 

#8079 of 9307 Re: - [ruking1] by gagrice

Feb 13, 2013 (5:09 pm)

Replying to: ruking1 (Feb 13, 2013 5:12 pm)
This is Ford's main truck outside the USA. No Rangers built in the USA any longer. This is a completely new Ranger as of 2012. They shut the Ranger factory down here. I think if the Chicken tax was not still alive and well they would have kept selling at least the new gas model Ranger here.
 
Last compact pickup rolls off the line this week.
 
by Paul A. Eisenstein on Dec.13, 2011
 
The auto industry is back and providing one of the few sources of new jobs in an otherwise struggling U.S. economy. Or so one might believe in most parts of the country. Just don’t try to convince the workers at Ford’s Twin Cities Assembly Plant.
 
The maker hasn’t set a specific time yet but sometime around Friday it is expected that the last Ford Ranger will roll down the assembly line and the 86-year-old plant, located just outside Minneapolis, will finally shut down.

#8080 of 9307 Re: - [ruking1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 13, 2013 (7:50 pm)

Replying to: ruking1 (Feb 13, 2013 1:18 pm)
Further, it almost seems a complete waste for the big three NOT to do a small block(V-8) turbo diesel,
 
small block V8 turbo diesel is absolutely positively a no brainer.
 
I sure don't have the same level of faith in a V8 diesel as you seem to have. I'm not even convinced that these V6's have any really long longevity potential. You can go back as many years as you want and include heavy truck, industrial generator, excavator, bulldozer etc use, ALL of those that used V diesels just don't have the longevity potential as an inline block per dollar spent over the life of the unit. While Detroit did have some V's as 2 stroke diesels that actually did sorta last, they put most owners in the poor-house just fueling them.
 
As for Ford's new V6 F150 TD, I don't care how much so-called presale testing they did...I don't totally trust Ford nor their claims...let's get some miles on these engines in the general public's hands before claiming them as an overall good and competent engine vs dollar spent over life of use.
 
Heard a 7.4 go by my drive today...gosh that thing sounded TERRIBLE! And it was not a very old Ford...my guess is the owner also is worried big-time about his choice in going with a V8 NA diesel. Now while I am slinging mud, I am quite willing to include Japanese V8's too. My neighbour had the Isuzu V8 in his big dually Chev and while it pulled well and was not too too bad on fuel, and was quite a quiet motor, at (only) 180000 km it needed over 7 grand spent on it. Seals, injectors, numerous seals BTW, and turbo and intake manifold issues. Only 112000 miles! It was a 65 or 70 THOUSAND dollar truck!
 
Inline blocks are best for diesel use and longevity, IMO.

#8081 of 9307 Re: - [ruking1] by gimmestdtranny

Feb 13, 2013 (7:56 pm)

Replying to: ruking1 (Feb 13, 2013 3:33 pm)
Wake me when Ford has a passegner car diesel. I might have 400k miles on my 2003 Jetta TDI by then.
 
I know you love your little Jetta, and to be honest, I do too although don't have the same expectation of miles/$ spent that you seem to...not without some $eriou$ dollar input (there is a very probable chance you will have to deal with probably two sets of injectors, one turbo and one fuel injection pump before you will see 400000 miles. All super expensive..the injectors being the most affordable of those items.

#8082 of 9307 Re: - [gimmestdtranny] by ruking1

Feb 13, 2013 (8:48 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 13, 2013 7:50 pm)
That is fine. There simply are not a lot of experiences with diesels, let alone a comparison between I5, I6, V6. Given what I know about Fords, I would not be an early adopter of their diesel products.

#8083 of 9307 Re: - [gimmestdtranny] by ruking1

Feb 13, 2013 (9:21 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Feb 13, 2013 7:56 pm)
I really don't know if it is love so much as a reasonable expectation of longer life. I really don't know why you would have an expectation of long life on a TDI, especially if you don't have one !?
 
180,000 miles it is running like the proverbial top. Again I have been running 30,000 miles OCI's. I am on the oem set of injectors, turbo and injection pump. A great expectation for a 236 premium over a 1.8T VW Jetta 2003?

#8084 of 9307 - by dudleyr

Feb 14, 2013 (8:04 am)

Gas engines can last too. My brother has 350,000 miles on his Infinity G-20. The problem is the rest of the car has to last as well. I have only 230,000 miles on my '90 Acura Integra, but at 23 years old the stuffing in the seats is starting to rot, and some rust is starting to show through. The engine may last another 100,000 miles, but not sure the rest of the car will. I love the fact that diesels last, but nowadays all engines are capable of 200k.

#8085 of 9307 Re: - [dudleyr] by ateixeira

Feb 14, 2013 (8:21 am)

Replying to: dudleyr (Feb 14, 2013 8:04 am)
Hit the junk yard and swap out just the seats.
 
ruking also, do GTI seats fit in yours?

#8086 of 9307 Re: - [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST

Feb 14, 2013 (8:22 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 14, 2013 8:21 am)
At 182k and 13 years, I have niggling little stuff happening, like hard to access dash lights burning out.

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