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#8067 of 9361 Re: - [steve_]
Feb 13, 2013 (6:09 am)
In theory then, ANY oem that does a world wide diesel is similarly "poised" , which is literally almost EVERY oem. In effect this has been so for easily 10 to 20 years. So I think it is easy to see how "quickly they actually have reacted. I think this is a "wanna be" shot across the bow of oems that have actually brought passenger CAR diesels to the US market, specifically VW A. I can tell VW is literally quaking in their boots the Chatanooga TN US Passat plant where 20% of the Passats are diesel. Where is Ford's ( and GM and Chysler's) NEW billion dollar + US plant/s that puts together 20% Ford diesels?
Now you have to give Ford, GM and Chysler for having trio handedly created the 250/2500 and above larger V8 TDI "light" truck markets, albeit niche niche markets!!??. Now they truly have been on the US markets for literally decades. The big three have had NO foreign competition in these markets !! In fact they were behind the 5% of diesels and were the majority of the diesel markets, when the US policy makers policies had the effect of chopping that to 3% passenger diesels. Is Ford really going to bring passenger car diesels to the US markets because MB and BMW are? I think this is the kind of talk that was made for Budweiser commercials, after about 10 too many beers. and multiple trips to the lady's room. Reality proves this kind of bravado as not credible in the real world.
It is like me saying I have been driving a Ford Focus diesel for the last 10 years and 180,000 miles. It simply would not be real world credible.
Feb 13, 2013 (6:39 am)
I wonder if it is sportier, though, maybe more like a GTD model?
Feb 13, 2013 (9:08 am)
With their success in racing it would make sense to follow up with performance diesels.
Feb 13, 2013 (10:32 am)
Well we know they have federalized the 3.2 inline 5 for the 2014 Transit, so they will have something that's close to deployment for, say, Taurus/Edge size and up. Explorer and the F150 are no-brainers if they get serious. Might be a bit big for the Fusion, though.
#8072 of 9361 Re: - [tifighter]
Feb 13, 2013 (1:18 pm)
I think we are also seeing the much increased torque given even a slight increase in cu in/ fractions of a liter. Further it would seem illogical to put the 3.2 l in something like the Taurus/Edge, Explorer/F150. Further, it almost seems a complete waste for the big three NOT to do a small block(V-8) turbo diesel, ala 350 cu in on down (5.8 L to 3.5 L) This range of size, in my opinion has the POTENTIAL to dominate the turbo diesel segment for a host of larger cars and light trucks. Stump pulling torque as represented in current 2/250/2500 series "light" (really heavy) trucks are really only for a niche (aka SMALL) market segment. The PU/SUV/large car segment is fully 75% of the passenger vehicle fleet where a small block V8 turbo diesel is absolutely positively a no brainer.
Feb 13, 2013 (1:47 pm)
it would seem illogical to put the 3.2 l in something like the Taurus/Edge, Explorer/F150
Illogical to you, but we know Ford believes that the 3.2D is suitable for Transit van use, as they've already announced it for the US market. The Transit is a vehicle for a heavy duty commercial user, so it is hardly a stretch that they could find it suitable for a F150, with its lower payload and non-HD intended usage.
They already use the ecoboost V6 in the Taurus, Explorer, Flex, various Lincolns, the F150 and upcoming Transit, so its not like Ford does not have a history of applying one engine across a broad spectrum of vehicles. I'm not saying they are going to do it, but it is hardly illogical to think it could be possible.
#8074 of 9361 Re: - [tifighter]
Feb 13, 2013 (3:15 pm)
..."Illogical to you,"...
Indeed that is what I said !!
There are a host of COSTLY changes and upgrades that has to happen, to put that TDI engine across the products discussed. So if you are saying they are going to do EXACTLY that, then the logic comes at SUBSTANTIAL upgrades in costs. To state the obvious, there was not a PEEP about (needed/required) upgrades. This lack is a HUGE clue.
Using the common parts bin and platforms make a lot of sense. Again VW has been doing it across many models and for many years.
So for example to put the 3.0 L TDI that is in the VW Touareg into a VW Passat, which has the 2.0 L TDI, would be a literal and figurative logistical/cost nightmare. No matter how cool it might be. As you know the 2.0 L TDI is on the Passat, Jetta, Golf, NB, etc to name a few, off the top of my head.
Feb 13, 2013 (3:13 pm)
Who said it would not be costly? From the article-
"But if market demand rises for diesel-powered vehicles, which he said come at a $3,000 to $4,000 premium compared to gasoline-powered engines, Ford is in a favorable position because of its diesel-heavy European lineup."
Regarding 'not a PEEP about upgrades'...he was giving a speech to U Michigan students, why would he even get into that? They are simply acknowledging that diesel is on the table as an option. I'm sure they'll wait to see how the Cruze, new 6, rumored 2015 Titan etc sell. If they take off, then they have the ability to react. Which is what he said.
#8076 of 9361 Re: - [tifighter]
Feb 13, 2013 (3:33 pm)
ZZZZZZZZZZZ !! Wake me when Ford has a passegner car diesel. I might have 400k miles on my 2003 Jetta TDI by then. Really the question would be why would he NOT !! ??
Edmunds lists 1 FORD 6.7 L diesel, 2013 F-450 Super Duty Crew Cab.
The MSRP ranges from 50k to 67k.
You got to like that 800# ft of torque