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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: Apropos of nothing in particular [steve_] by alltorque
Jan 09, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 06, 2009 8:24 am)

Apologies for delay in response...........been doing other things.
 
Current prices in my locality are :
 
Regular Unleaded Petrol : £0.849 per litre (RUG)
 
Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel : £0.959 per litre (ULSD)
 
If my math is correct that equates to, (at current £/$ exrate) :
 
RUG : $4.93 per US Gall
 
ULSD : $5,57 per US Gall
 
That's close on a 13% differential. Some parts of EU have ULSD marginally cheaper than RUG but most are dearer, (AFAIK), it's a tax thing. Yes, it hurts but it's not difficult to see why diesels are so popular - just on fuel cost per mile :
 
Examples, all figure are "Combined" mpg for Imp Galls :
 
Subaru Legacy : 2.0R = 32.8 vs 2.0TD = 48.7
 
Volvo C30 : 2.0 = 38.2 vs 2.0D = 49.6 but 1.6D = 57.6
 
Toyota Yaris : 1.3 VVT = 47.1 vs 1.4D = 62.8
 
BMW : 335i = 31.0 vs 335D (Auto) = 42.2
 
I've tried to match like-for-like as closely as possible. In all examples, the gassers are listed first, (but you'll have figured that out).
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Re: Apropos of nothing in particular [alltorque] by ruking1
Jan 09, 2009 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jan 09, 2009 11:59 am)

I realize there are a few translations and the room for some conversion error, butdiesel comes into its own when the fuel prices are higher (per your example) So really the question is to the US market, how long do you think fuel prices will remain LOW (relative to both 4. gal AND places like where Altorque fuels?
 
Here is an interesting issue being discussed in the US. Since the price is so "low" there is FED Congressional as well as State Congressional discussion on raising the fuel tax up to 1.00 per gal So given 50 mpg vs 22 mpg (defacto fleet mpg) that is .02 cents vs .04545 cents per gal. ) the taxation will be 227% higher on the defacto fleet mpg average!?
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Re: Apropos of nothing in particular [alltorque] by steve_ HOST
Jan 09, 2009 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (Jan 09, 2009 11:59 am)

Thanks! Gas popped a dime here to $1.69 for regular, while diesel went down to $2.39 (a twenty cent drop). That's the cheapest I recall seeing diesel in a year or more.
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Re: Apropos of nothing in particular [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 09, 2009 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2009 6:53 pm)

I filled up my tractor can with diesel today. It was $2.39 for shell diesel. Regular was up to $1.99. ARCO is at $1.89. Not sure if it will come down or not. I hope I don't miss the window of opportunity on buying my dream X5 diesel.
 
The sad part is, I really like driving the Sequoia. Went up into the mountains for a few days. Handles well. Just cannot get much better than 16 MPG with this crappy CA gas. The electronics in the Toyota suck. It is a good thing I knew the way to my destination. That NAV is near worthless. CD player skips on smooth highways. Not what you should get in a $50k vehicle.
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Re: Craigslist [bumpy] by gagrice
Jan 10, 2009 (5:29 am)
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Well that was 7 good reasons to buy a new Diesel car. You got some ugly iron back there on the other coast. Here is what you still see running around wishing they had a diesel engine running on veggie oil.
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/987200403.html
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Re: Craigslist [gagrice] by bumpy
Jan 10, 2009 (5:37 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 10, 2009 5:29 am)

Ha. I put it in the wrong topic. I did find this, though.
 
http://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/986486825.html
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Re: Craigslist [bumpy] by gagrice
Jan 10, 2009 (5:38 am)
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If you don't want to spend a lot of money on your diesel ride, these still look good.
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/987172182.html
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/986593236.html
 
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/982543005.html
 
Must be 30 old MB diesels in San Diego for sale
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Re: Craigslist [bumpy] by gagrice
Jan 10, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 10, 2009 5:37 am)

No problem, I love Craigslist. I have at least a dozen items listed around the country at any given time. I check every day for a good buy on a diesel Beetle that my wife wants for a runabout. Has to be 2006 with the DSG in green or yellow. Not too picky is she?
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Re: Craigslist [gagrice] by nippononly
Jan 10, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 10, 2009 5:38 am)

Yikes, they were still carbureted in '83! That's a big turn-off. Luckily, diesel benzes were available most of the way through the 80s, right? Into the 90s as well, or not? They must have been fuel injected by the late 80s, I would assume.

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