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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1503 messages, Last post on Nov 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Last week at Hess in RI. Regular unleaded gas=$1.59/gal; diesel=$2.69/gal The gap seems to remain constant. Earlier in the year when gas was 3.85 or so diesel was 4.99. Now, however the cost ratio is almost 2:1 and in the simplest oversimplification a diesel would have to get twice the mileage to break even. I know this isn't exact but it does reduce the economic advantage of diesel for the time being.
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I'm thinking that one main reason people in the USA do not buy Diesels is because we keep getting told we dont buy diesels in the USA ! I'm thinking the reason the oil companies sell diesel at a higher cost is that they can, we dont have a system of checks to make a private company charge what they should so they charge all they can with no worries ! I'm thinking that car makers will fight making longer lasting diesel vehicles as long as they can, why make a vehicle that can last 200,000 miles when you can make one that will go 100,000 and sell two of them ? I'm thinking there is Zillions of dollars being tossed around on so called man made global warming, and not even a dollar spent to tell the people that this earth is a living ever changing world ! Ya cant charge people more money to tell them lifes a bytch but ya can charge them more money by telling them its all their fault ! |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 05, 2009 8:55 am)
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Edmunds calculates maintenance in the True Cost to Own. Just comparing some '06 Jetta's against each other, I don't see any advantage. TDI 4dr Sedan w/Manual Average Cost per Mile* $0.50 link 2.0T 4dr Sedan w/Manual Average Cost per Mile* $0.50 link 2.5 4dr Sedan w/Manual Average Cost per Mile* $0.45 link * This is a 5-year estimate (based on 15,000 miles per year). The automatic styles seem to be a penny or so cheaper to own and operate. |
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Replying to: bobny57 (Jan 06, 2009 6:51 pm) No it is the Dirty Environmentalist in the government on the payroll of the oil companies.  Gas is the byproduct in the refining process they want to get rid of. Diesel will be in short supply until they add more refining capacity. With a glut of gas there is no real urgency to sell more diesel.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 05, 2009 9:53 pm) **** No, the issue was smoothness and a nice ride. If the engine has to rev to get its power, then that means it needs many gears(problem prone and expensive to fix mega-speed automatic) or has to rev to where most Americans think it's noisy. A modern turbo-diesel is quiet, refined, shifts less, and generally is better in traffic and normal daily driving. They have done great things with the technology in Europe and it's nothing like what Americans remember. Though, to be honest, I love the sound of an old 4 cylinder 1970s Mercedes diesel... Like a small tractor and just as anti-yuppie at the same time...
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 06, 2009 9:07 pm) 
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 06, 2009 9:53 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 07, 2009 7:54 am) On the VW (03 5 speed manual anyway) as most folks probably do not know, the system is a so called "drive by wire" system. One spin off: a coasting or no fuel draw situation, does NOT have the engine compression of older diesels. It does result in better overall mpg due to no fuel draw conditions (on longer grade descents). I would imagine the same is true for automatics (to a lesser degree) |
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