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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 06, 2009 9:26 am) In any event, talk to those who have gotten RocketChipped before you assert your royal "a chip cannot increase mileage and hp at the same time." Of course it can, but it doesn't have to. Depends on the application, how well matched to the vehicle and how that vehicle is driven. I already know that if I chip my car and then drive mostly with a heavy foot, my mileage will suffer. For me, the extra hp and torque would only be there for those odd occasions where a little more oomph would be useful. In the meantime, where diesels do best mileage-wise (as well as Corvettes in sixth gear) is where I will see an actual mpg increase: steady highway speeds. You make some very good points about Americans, diesels and price v. availability. TDI prices ARE high because there aren't that many takers in the scheme of things--and those of us who are takers have to take what we get (and that includes both higher initial cost and much higher resale). But you also throw in the kitchen sink with blanket statements about chips. TDI guys are a very dedicated lot and much has been learned through the regional meets, trial and error, blogging, sharing, keeping logs. It may not interest you and that's fine, but before you say you know better about chips than those who manufacture and use them, at least take a look at the data. |
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I think you two are just on the tip of converging. Allow me to push. This statement is true: "A chip cannot increase mileage and hp at the EXACT same time" Meaning, you will not get higher gas mileage from a chipped car when the throttle is wide open than you will with a non-chipped car WHEN THE THROTTLE IS WIDE OPEN. This statement is also true: "A chip can increase mileage in one moment and hp at another moment" Meaning, a chipped car will have more power at WOT AND CAN ALSO provide higher mileage under normal operating circumstances and speeds. Is that a good summary?
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 06, 2009 10:29 am) What I was saying is that no chip in the world could allow my car to make me go faster 0-60 all day long and yet record a higher average gas mileage at the end of a month. The chip is merely manipulating what is possible in the engine. The chip is not "creating" more power out of thin air, and in giving better fuel mileage, is working outside of manufacturer's specs for reliability or drivability. I find the notion that a chip is "outsmarting" factory engineers to be unfounded. The chip maker and the factory engineer have different goals and the chipped car is not a "better" car necessarily. It just changes the compromises is all. You want to run leaner mixtures, or higher turbo boost, or longer shift points...okay fine, as long as you accept the compromises. Besides, often these chips require other mods which are not unsubstantial. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 06, 2009 10:39 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 06, 2009 11:03 am) "Chipping a car is an easy way to make more horsepower and get better fuel mileage reliably. " "Extracts Every Energy Possible From Fuel Molecules, Increases Miles-Per-Gallon At Part Throttle And Horsepower At Wide-Open Throttle"
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 06, 2009 11:03 am) Anyway--- Thanks larsb! I'm going to run off and check out the diesel scene for 2009-2010! Visiting Host |
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 06, 2009 11:11 am) "Chipping a car is an easy way to make more horsepower and get better fuel mileage reliably. " Less misleading (because you can do this, based on how you drive), but still an ad. If you want to chip, do the research. And now I am beating a dead horse. Sorry. |
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the Clubman diesel!!!! 
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 05, 2009 9:59 am) Priceless! Sure sounds like the same crowd that loves the Pious so much.
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Jan 06, 2009 2:07 pm) Obviously. LOL 
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