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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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#7661 of 9338 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira] by gagrice

Jan 16, 2013 (1:18 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 16, 2013 10:22 am)
MDX still has a lower total cost of ownership, and that's what matters.
 
If that is what matters a moped would be best. Pride of ownership, comfort, Mileage between fill-ups, performance, handling all mean more to me than TCO. If TCO was important I would drive a Yaris.

#7662 of 9338 Re: Jeep shows the diesel GC [steve_] by gagrice

Jan 16, 2013 (1:37 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Jan 16, 2013 12:40 pm)
Chrysler's been talking about a diesel GC forever and finally the German competition's worst nightmare is reality
 
The GC offered a diesel in 07-08. It like the Liberty were not CARB approved. Not sure what happened to them. The GC shares the same chassis as the ML. So probably a good bet it will be cross shopped by more than just me. I doubt it will be as luxurious. Though it sounds like the 2011 update addressed the rear leg room I found cramped back in 2007. The diesel will only be offered in the top trims. I expect it will be up near $50k. That is when you get down to close scrutiny between the diesel SUVs offered. Who knows the EPA may offer incentives on Jeep diesels. There may be a mini-van with the same diesel engine soon.
 
The engine has a strange pedigree: It was commissioned by GM back when the company still had a stake in Alfa Romeo, and VM developed it to be used in both transverse and longitudinal applications. Since then, Fiat took back complete ownership of Alfa and also bought a 50-percent stake in VM Motori. Aside from the history lesson, this tells us that the engine should be able to be installed in front-wheel-drive vehicles too, so it’s not out of the question to think it could be offered in the Chrysler Town & Country or the upcoming large Dodge crossover intended to replace the Grand Caravan.

#7663 of 9338 EPA list of new diesel models slated for USA by gagrice

Jan 16, 2013 (5:14 pm)

Mercedes-Benz GLK350 SUV 2012
Audi A8 Midsize Car Spring 2013
Audi A6 Midsize Car Fall 2013
Audi A7 Midsize Car Fall 2013
Audi Q5 SUV Fall 2013
BMW 7 Series Sedan 2013
Chevrolet Cruze Midsize Car 2013
Jeep Grand Cherokee SUV 2013
Mazda Mazda6 Midsize Car 2013
Porsche Cajun SUV 2013
Audi A4 Compact Car 2014
 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/dieselnews.shtml

#7664 of 9338 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ruking1] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (8:02 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 16, 2013 1:08 pm)
45% sounds like a lot but let's look closer.
 
An example is best. And we'll use diesel only to keep things simple.
 
TCO for an X5d over 5 years is $80,898.
 
Now, let's say you have magical unicorns pushing your vehicle around and you do use half the EPA estimated amount of fuel. Fuel cost goes down by 50% but...
 
...your TCO goes down by 9% overall.
 
That's the number that matters.
 
MDX has a TCO lower no matter how little fuel he uses, even if he uses no fuel at all.

#7665 of 9338 Re: EPA list of new diesel models slated for USA [gagrice] by ruking1

Jan 17, 2013 (8:14 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jan 16, 2013 5:14 pm)
It will certainly be interesting to see how the new model/s / other oem's diesel entries fair in the 2013 market place. A good over all factor should be the predicted banner volume year of 15.3 M units .
 
This is just my .02 cents , but I would tend not to be a buyer of the first year's product. I have done that in almost NO first year models for gassers. Indeed my first diesel was gen 4, aka MK IV.

#7666 of 9338 Re: EPA list of new diesel models slated for USA [gagrice] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (8:04 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jan 16, 2013 5:14 pm)
Cruze and Mazda6 are the affordable ones, let's see how they do.

#7667 of 9338 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [gagrice] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (8:06 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jan 16, 2013 1:18 pm)
The issue was cost.
 
He liked the MDX enough to buy it, and it's hardly a moped.
 
However, I do agree, you should buy what you like even if the diesel costs more to own.

#7668 of 9338 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira] by ruking1

Jan 17, 2013 (8:44 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 8:02 am)
..."Now, let's say you have magical unicorns pushing your vehicle around and you do use half the EPA estimated amount of fuel. Fuel cost goes down by 50% but...
 
SPINNING x 5 ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Take your meds. YOU are seeing and feeding the unicorns.....
 
Not a thing to do with diesels.

#7669 of 9338 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ruking1] by ateixeira

Jan 17, 2013 (9:33 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 17, 2013 8:44 am)
If you are able to look at the big picture...for the X5d fuel costs only represent 18% of your total costs.
 
No spin.

#7670 of 9338 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira] by ruking1

Jan 17, 2013 (9:39 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2013 8:06 am)
...'However, I do agree, you should buy what you like even if the diesel costs more to own."...
 
Glad you agree with me., as much as the "anti" you want to appear to be.
 
In my case, it started off with app 236 dollars more for the 03 Jetta TDI than the 03 Jetta 1.8 T . The resale value (using the tmv) is 42.3, 44, to 50% better.
 
Locally in the real world there is a premium over that. I really don't have a reason to sell. It is really still a baby 180,000 miles and 11 MY's old.

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