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#7651 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 16, 2013 (9:42 am)
..."He said most of the driving was in "heavy traffics" [sic]."...
You seem to be on the endless distortion loop. I get the feeling in the best case it is hard to understand 30 mpg AVERAGE, even as Gagrice understands it as "average" . As for mpg in "heavy traffics" I stated what it was for those scenarios.
I just confirmed 20 mpg for the Acura MDX, and so it appears I was a tad optimistic 22. (29 still the same for VW T TDI diesel product "COMPETITORS") . So 45% better (diesel product) is the fuel mileage difference.
I am just fine with what folks opinions are and what they decide to do. As Habitat1 put it, or concept to the effect: "HE is the one paying the fuel bills, thank you very much."
But on the other hand, for those ok with punching numbers into a cheap calculator (use an expensive one if that better suits). Given 100,000 miles with a 20/22 or 30 mpg AVERAGE = 5,000 / 4,546 gals vs 3,334 gals consumed . times one's cost of PUG/RUG ULSD. Fuel companies are already crying that US gasoline consumption is way OFF. I guess that is code for higher RUG/PUG and electrical prices !??
#7652 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ruking1]
Jan 16, 2013 (10:22 am)
MDX still has a lower total cost of ownership, and that's what matters.
Lately I've been gently pushed along by unicorns, so I have not used any gas at all. My MPG is infinite. It's true.
There's always a trade-off, in this case, uh, "emissions".
#7653 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 16, 2013 (10:44 am)
..."MDX still has a lower total cost of ownership, and that's what matters. "...
While that is your opinion from your perspective of non ownership of the MDX , nor the VW T TDI, in both our cases, it remains to be seen. I was told the VW T TDI purchase price was far less than the Acura MDX. I also find insurance costs are cheaper. YOU of course think 45% more in fuel consumption is CHEAPER. I do understand that the potential 10 year old resale prices on BOTH will be pretty good. Will let you know in 10 years IF I sell it or some one makes me a "make me ecstatic" offer. I think I am being stalked on the 03 VW Jetta TDI with 180,000 miles. I have had 5 cards and notes stuck to the windshield, asking me to call to sell. Hey first 16,000 gets it !!
#7654 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ruking1]
Jan 16, 2013 (10:39 am)
Incorrect, that wasn't my opinion, that's from Edmunds TCO information.
Fuel consumption is a tiny, tiny portion of overall ownership costs. It hardly even moves the needle when you look at the big picture (depreciation, insurance, etc).
#7655 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 16, 2013 (10:50 am)
So what you are saying is you don't believe what you posted? Par for the course !
..."Fuel consumption is a tiny, tiny portion of overall ownership costs."...
Absolutely, MDX fuel costs only 45% more !!!!! (per mile driven: fuel. But I have already said that,....already.
Well I have mentioned the depreciation and insurance for both. YOU are going to have to detail the etc.
#7656 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ruking1]
Jan 16, 2013 (11:09 am)
45% more than very little is still very little, when you look at the big picture like I do.
Even comparing TCO of the X5 gasser vs. diesel it was not enough to make the overall TCO cheaper until incentives were added.
#7657 of 9319 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 16, 2013 (1:08 pm)
..."when you look at the big picture like I do. "....
So what makes you think no one else looks at the big picture ??
You definitely think 45% more is better !! YOU are now saying it REPEATEDLY !! ??
Again it gets down to cost per mile driven: depreciation, insurance, whatever??? Again, SAME stuff I have have been saying all along. But outside of the diesel PORTIONS, not much to do with diesels. So yet again, LETS move on. I am sure this is as tedious for others, as it is for me.
Habitat 1 has em side by side and he has detailed his perspective/s on BOTH. So I am getting the feeling you are intentionally being tone deaf here.
#7659 of 9319 Re: Jeep shows the diesel GC [ateixeira]
by steve_ HOST
Jan 16, 2013 (12:40 pm)
"The most significant change comes under the hood, where the 2014 Grand Cherokee will offer the option of diesel power. Seems Chrysler's been talking about a diesel GC forever and finally the German competition's worst nightmare is reality: A 3.0-liter V6 turbodiesel designed and built by Italy's VM Motori (half-owned by Fiat) generates a bludgeoning 420 pound-feet of torque and will yank 7,400 pounds of trailer.
The diesel out-torques the Porsche Cayenne Diesel (406 lb-ft) and matches the Cayenne oil-igniter's 240 horses. And Chrysler must be pretty sure about the engine's frugality. Although the 2014 Grand Cherokee diesel doesn't hit showrooms until March, the company already is citing a 21 mpg city and 30 mpg highway fuel economy rating for rear-drivers and 20/28 mpg for all-wheel drive."
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Unveiled at 2013 Detroit Auto Show
#7660 of 9319 Re: Jeep shows the diesel GC [steve_]
Jan 16, 2013 (1:10 pm)
I would not doubt anyone's ability to do an easy 30 mpg on the new 2014 GC TDI, even if it is not yet IN the real world. I don't even try for mine. However I do know the operating parameters pretty well (especially after 250,000 miles on three diesels. VW T's are all wheel drives.
Hopefully they have made substantial improvements to the TDI's AND TRANSMISSIONS Chrysler uses. I only say that, NOT from personal experiences; but from past postings on this and other web sites. Indeed the EPA's are 2 mpg C/2 mpg H BETTER than the 2012 VW T. It would be a check on the PLUS side if the 8 sp A/T ZF transmission is as reliable and durable as the Aisin 8 speed A/T.
Off topic, a $600.00 chip mapping will easily boost the VW T's torque to more like 425# ft (same/same 420/425). I have been throwing it around for a couple of months.