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#7641 of 11710 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 15, 2013 (5:26 pm)
Fuelly has people getting 22 to 26 mpg for the new diesel Touaregs, are we to believe he beats even the best average by several mpgs in heavy traffic?
I am looking at Fuelly and they have 32 owners of the 2012 Touareg getting from 22-30 MPG. I accept his 30 MPG combined as in the group. The average is way above EPA rating.
#7642 of 11710 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 15, 2013 (6:33 pm)
In your quest to distort, under the false mantle of "honesty", you are leaving out the 30 mpg average (17,000 miles) without trying. Indeed that was the first time I saw that Fuelly 2012 VW T TDI postings when Gagrice posted it. There was NO effort to BEAT anybody posting on that web site. But,... your distortions are par for the course. For a guy that says he gets a lot of smiles per mile, you sure come across as an unhappy sort.
...."A least you said per mile driven fuel this time. "...
Alas, another distortion, I have consistently acknowledged when the prices per gal of diesel, RUG, PUG were/are higher, lower, same, etc. Even you know that.
Cost per mile driven: fuel is a formula, I have posted it more than once.
Jan 15, 2013 (6:46 pm)
If we can get beyond the personal jabs (please!):
“The fact that there’s a world crunch on for the use of diesel and fuel oils at this time of year especially… so all of that is combining to keep our diesel prices much higher.”
Dixon says every three barrels of crude oil produces two barrels of gasoline and one barrel of diesel, and the equation can’t be changed.
He says unless the demand for diesel drops, the price won’t either."
And yeah, the Canadians are comparing regular to diesel.
Local expert says difference in gas, diesel prices, is biggest in 30 years (ctvnews.ca)
#7644 of 11710 Re: back to diesel news [steve_]
Jan 15, 2013 (7:14 pm)
One local expert says this is the biggest difference in gas and diesel pump prices seen in Alberta in decades.
Funny that it corresponds with the rise in popularity of diesel cars in North America. If there is a shortage of diesel in the Americas we should not be selling it to others. Again the USA gets screwed. Block diesel vehicle sales and sell the diesel to other countries where the emission standards are less stringent. So how does that help the environment?
U.S. exports of distillate fuel (which includes diesel) reached a record 656,000 barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2010 and have grown every year since 2003. That trend continued during the first six months (the most recent for which data are available) of 2011, with diesel exports averaging 730,000 bbl/d, a 32% increase over an average of 554,000 bbl/d during the same period in 2010.
Increases in U.S. distillate exports began as global diesel consumption growth outpaced growth in consumption of other petroleum products over the past decade. According to the International Energy Agency, from 2000 through 2008 (the last year for which a complete set of global data exists), global diesel (also called gasoil in some parts of the world) consumption increased by 23%, while consumption of other petroleum products grew by 7%.
#7645 of 11710 Re: back to diesel news [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 15, 2013 (7:28 pm)
The other gotcha is that diesel car owners are competing with lots of other users. Not just the big rigs, but home heating oil and lots of other forms of transport.
Who else uses gasoline? Some generators and lots of yard equipment, but if demand spikes, people can drive less and prices will fall. I don't know, but I doubt that using lots of kerosene or jet fuel would affect gas prices at the pump much.
That's not happening with diesel - you can drive less but you still have to compete with the use of diesel in trucks to get your milk and bread to the store and all that corn downriver and that coal railed the west coast.
I suppose you could ask the multinationals to quit exporting the stuff.
#7646 of 11710 Re: back to diesel news [steve_]
Jan 15, 2013 (8:02 pm)
CA taxes diesel far more than they do gasoline even though it fulfills the STATE'S stated goals of using LESS FUEL. Seems like no good deed goes unpunished. But the realities have been well discussed on this board.
#7647 of 11710 Re: back to diesel news [ruking1]
Jan 16, 2013 (6:24 am)
Another is anyone can look up the spot prices. Here are the prices for YESTERDAY.
D2 (15 ppm) $3.0613
.06 or so difference between PUG and ULSD. This is going to I am sure, dissuade some one from doing the math between a premium user getting 22 mpg from a diesel user getting say 28 mpg and not seeing that per mile driven: fuel premium costs more? Works for me !! I am here in N Tahoe with a Acura MDX driver who is getting so far 21 on the way up to my 29. She and I are both just fine with her paying 34% more per mile driven: FUEL.
Of course that is at spot prices. I only DREAM about paying spot prices. However the RETAIL price conversion is 31% more (3.95/3.73).
#7648 of 11710 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [gagrice]
Jan 16, 2013 (7:18 am)
I accept his 30 MPG combined
He said most of the driving was in "heavy traffics" [sic].
#7650 of 11710 Re: Diesel price fixing in the the Washington,D.C. area [ateixeira]
Jan 16, 2013 (7:33 am)
He said most of the driving was in "heavy traffics"
Heavy traffic in CA is not always stop and go. In fact most of the time it means 75 MPH with about a car length between you and the guy ahead of you and behind you. It moves a lot of people at a high rate of speed until some jerk screws up and slows down the whole freeway. We followed a buddy of mine to Simi Valley on the North side of Los Angeles. He got us into the commuter lane and never went under 75 MPH in his Prius on the 405 freeway. It was extremely heavy traffic the whole way. I hate driving up there. I got my usual 15 MPG in the gas hog Sequoia. A Toyota Land Cruiser like those sold in the rest of the World would have gotten us over 30 MPG. I just noticed in the UK Toyota does not even offer a gas Land Cruiser. Two different diesel models. The RAV4 has two diesel and one gas model.