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#7188 of 11661 Re: Low Emission Zone [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 16, 2012 (7:44 pm)
lol. You forgot the suggestion that they all have to drive in reverse. That'll slow 'em down a little too. Interesting that the Greens don't like the idea either and they aren't the ones pointing their fingers at diesels apparently.
#7189 of 11661 Re: Low Emission Zone [steve_]
Nov 16, 2012 (8:09 pm)
The Greens don't like it because they all drive 30 year old VW Micro buses.
#7190 of 11661 Re: Low Emission Zone [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 16, 2012 (7:59 pm)
That burn biodiesel. From the French fries.
#7191 of 11661 Re: Low Emission Zone [steve_]
Nov 16, 2012 (8:12 pm)
Did VW ever offer a diesel bus? Do the French even grow potatoes?
#7192 of 11661 Re: C-Max real world - so far [ruking1]
Nov 17, 2012 (6:45 am)
Having said that, three things that would seem to benefit a 9 passenger "mini" van would be indeed that diesel engine mated to a much more durable transmission and much better brake pads and rotors.
For as versatile as a 9 passenger mini van has been/is/ remains and for a "high" mpg (Odyssey, EPA 28 H) as you say it delivers, one would expect a broader application, market share.
#7194 of 11661 Re: C-Max real world - so far [gagrice]
Nov 17, 2012 (7:49 am)
Again another example of diesel engine and great transmission match offering a much better versatility. Indeed the mini van prices (Honda Odyssey Touring/Touring Elite ) overlaps (41,330 to 43,825) with the MB 12 passenger "people mover". The link provided starts off an MB 40,320 MSRP.
Strictly on mpg/100 miles per "butt" 100 miles/28 mpg= 3.57 gals/9= .3968 gal per butt 51 oz vs 100 miles/25= 4 gals (obvious .43 gal MORE) /12 =.3333 gal or 42.67 oz , or 20% more GASSER fuel usage !?
So gasser: 1. 20% more fuel 2. less versatile, 3. can cost more to aquiire. 4. etc.
So in my anecdotal case, that would be the whole Girls Volleyball team gear and three adults or Girls basketball team, bench and two adults gear.
#7195 of 11661 Re: Low Emission Zone [gagrice]
Nov 17, 2012 (8:27 am)
More old cars in France than Germany, but indeed, but I would easily guess less than 10% of the fleet is so old - and probably less on brutal urban streets. Desperation move by overmonied goody goody bleeding heart politicos who probably own multiple vehicles with large engines and live in undeserved energy swilling mansions.
France is very lucky to have people who work living next door.
#7196 of 11661 Re: Low Emission Zone [fintail]
Nov 19, 2012 (8:22 am)
Modern urban planning has long since had the policy of separating the people's and the peoples living and working locations. In many cases , any to all systems are anathema to combine/combining them. France for example has many cities/urban locations 240 years and older. Needless to say this is older than our country (1776). Although, I have lived in places where people talk like The French and Indian War (1754–1763) was not a real long time ago.
So for example, the modern day "outer edge" so to speak is app 1.5 miles per trip 3.0 miles R/T (radius/SL). Another reality check is out of say 100 folks who follow this board what is the break down of folks who live or less than 1.5 miles? Out of those that actually do live 1.5 miles or less to work, what percentage of those actually do walk?
Since you have politicized the discussion, i.e., how many MAYORS of say major cities (NYC, WASH DC, Chicago, SF, LA, Boston, etc) walk to work?
#7197 of 11661 Re: C-Max real world - so far [ruking1]
Nov 19, 2012 (8:47 am)
The Ody Touring is overpriced, most vans sell for high 20s low 30s. Mine was just $25k.
The Sprinter is not refined enough, too big, too costly to be truly mainstream.
I'd be more interested to see Ford's new small van with a diesel.
Fuelly's average is just 16.9 mpg for the Sprinter, not exactly numbers to brag about.
I'll be nice and not compare those average to my 30+mpg trips since that's apples to oranges.
But no way, no how is a Sprinter using 20% less fuel than I do. Far from it.