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#7186 of 9319 Low Emission Zone
by steve_ HOST
Nov 16, 2012 (6:28 pm)
"Classic car owners in France are up in arms over sensational new proposals to ban their cars from Paris streets by September 2014.
If the Socialist mayor of Paris, Bernard Delanoe, gets his wish, any cars built before 1995 would be outlawed from the city streets."
Paris Looking To Ban Classics and Clunkers From City Streets (Inside Line)
So what does this have to do with buying diesels?
"Critics have also pointed out that the real cause of city pollution in France is the prominence of diesel cars, but taking decisive action there would be truly politically unpalatable and in the past has caused mass protests and strikes."
#7187 of 9319 Re: Low Emission Zone [steve_]
Nov 16, 2012 (8:26 pm)
How many French cars would still be running that were built before 1995? France will be like Greece shortly. Anyone with money would be crazy to stay. If we had let the Russians take them over they would have a whole different perspective on Socialism.
Why don't they do like London? Just charge $15 a day to drive in Paris. That would cut down on traffic it seems. Of course the French would never adopt an idea the Brits came up with.
#7188 of 9319 Re: Low Emission Zone [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Nov 16, 2012 (8:44 pm)
lol. You forgot the suggestion that they all have to drive in reverse. That'll slow 'em down a little too. Interesting that the Greens don't like the idea either and they aren't the ones pointing their fingers at diesels apparently.
#7189 of 9319 Re: Low Emission Zone [steve_]
Nov 16, 2012 (9:09 pm)
The Greens don't like it because they all drive 30 year old VW Micro buses.
#7190 of 9319 Re: Low Emission Zone [gagrice]
by steve_ HOST
Nov 16, 2012 (8:59 pm)
That burn biodiesel. From the French fries.
#7191 of 9319 Re: Low Emission Zone [steve_]
Nov 16, 2012 (9:12 pm)
Did VW ever offer a diesel bus? Do the French even grow potatoes?
#7192 of 9319 Re: C-Max real world - so far [ruking1]
Nov 17, 2012 (7:45 am)
Having said that, three things that would seem to benefit a 9 passenger "mini" van would be indeed that diesel engine mated to a much more durable transmission and much better brake pads and rotors.
For as versatile as a 9 passenger mini van has been/is/ remains and for a "high" mpg (Odyssey, EPA 28 H) as you say it delivers, one would expect a broader application, market share.
#7194 of 9319 Re: C-Max real world - so far [gagrice]
Nov 17, 2012 (8:49 am)
Again another example of diesel engine and great transmission match offering a much better versatility. Indeed the mini van prices (Honda Odyssey Touring/Touring Elite ) overlaps (41,330 to 43,825) with the MB 12 passenger "people mover". The link provided starts off an MB 40,320 MSRP.
Strictly on mpg/100 miles per "butt" 100 miles/28 mpg= 3.57 gals/9= .3968 gal per butt 51 oz vs 100 miles/25= 4 gals (obvious .43 gal MORE) /12 =.3333 gal or 42.67 oz , or 20% more GASSER fuel usage !?
So gasser: 1. 20% more fuel 2. less versatile, 3. can cost more to aquiire. 4. etc.
So in my anecdotal case, that would be the whole Girls Volleyball team gear and three adults or Girls basketball team, bench and two adults gear.
#7195 of 9319 Re: Low Emission Zone [gagrice]
Nov 17, 2012 (9:27 am)
More old cars in France than Germany, but indeed, but I would easily guess less than 10% of the fleet is so old - and probably less on brutal urban streets. Desperation move by overmonied goody goody bleeding heart politicos who probably own multiple vehicles with large engines and live in undeserved energy swilling mansions.
France is very lucky to have people who work living next door.