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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 04, 2009 11:25 am) Every year ford send out a flyer on ideas and every year putting diesel in cars is always #1 but it never happens. Just like putting the alison trans. in the super duty. The motor is turned down so not to brake trans. Putting the allison 6speed and put a splitter so you can increase mpg would be the best thing. People around here do that after the warrenty runs out and put the chip in it
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Replying to: yankabilly (Jan 04, 2009 11:49 am)  
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 04, 2009 11:44 am)
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Replying to: yankabilly (Jan 04, 2009 12:06 pm) The 2003 VW Jetta TDI can easily do that and still deliver 48 mpg. On a recent 3 state and 45 min CN border stop and go trip (965 miles one way) I ran a steady 75 mph with bursts to 80 mph and it returned 59 mpg. So in comparison to a Jetta gasser which would struggle to get 29 mpg, the diesel for logical purposes is an absolute no brainer. It is such a no brainer than when even close friends ask me what I get in a diesel, I don't even say anymore. If they press, I just say well it could be better.  
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Replying to: yankabilly (Jan 04, 2009 12:06 pm) Americans don't like diesel cars and won't buy them. That's why the Big Three will not built them for domestic market, at least not the domestic market *as it is now configured*. If one does not agree that the government *punish* people until they do buy diesels, then you have to let the market dictate what is built by what is bought. You could not currently give away at 1/2 price a $35000 Chevrolet diesel sedan. You could not get an American driver into a Peugeot turbo diesel hatchback or a VW Rabbit diesel. You CAN (and have) gotten them into diesel pickups for hauling gravel, etc.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 04, 2009 4:20 pm) So for example while we get a pretty good 38-42 mph on a(gasser) Honda Civic for a commute, I would buy a turbo diesel Civc that got 56 mpg !!! The unacknowledged problem is it is simply not available on the US market.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 04, 2009 4:31 pm) Diesel passenger cars have never had more than 6% of the market. Why would an automaker pour hundreds of millions into such a niche market? To develop it? Into what? A market for cars that burn very expensive fuel? A market for an unspecified future time when fuel costs might (or might not) double or triple in price? It's not like with other emerging markets, like computers or iPods, when there was nothing like it one could buy in the early days----right now you can buy gasoline cars that get outstanding gas mileage.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 04, 2009 4:39 pm) Diesel passenger CARS are currently less than 1% of the passenger vehicle fleet. I read that 92.5% of the diesel passenger vehicle fleet (ie light trucks) are diesels. So the over all % diesel is  2%, down from less than 3%.
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Replying to: ruking1 (Jan 04, 2009 4:46 pm) Besides, back then diesel engines made sense in a luxury car like an old 300---you could get small car mileage out of a large car. Remember this was an era when a) most large 4-door cars got 15 mpg and b) when diesel fuel cost less than regular gasoline. Neither of those market forces is now operative. Running a 70s Mercedes diesel today only makes sense in that you can buy them cheap and so you don't have car payments, and that they can still deliver reliable day to day transportation---and they look nice even now. But if the engine blows up you can throw the car away or spend more than the entire value of the automobile to fix it....not so smart. I think if you jumped on those old Benz owners and hit them up with truth serum and examined their service and repair records, you'd see that these are no cheaper to run than any other used car.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 04, 2009 4:39 pm)  Some of the proplem is epa I dont think people know that when mpg regulation is stablished it is based on colective of vehicles not on A vehicle. Get this Ford built a Paint department in Loran Ohio and never used it so when they do there pollution standered they add it to the average whitch is zero so there partical numbers are lower HMMMM!! Ford has a diesel motor in Europe that get I think 50 plus mpg Yes old motors nocked like hell.But this new motor is quiet  . There are more then 2 dozen tankers off the gulf coast because there is a glutten of oil at the refinerese. If you noticed when the price of gas was way up the price of motor oil at you're local auto zone and other places only went up a few pennies HMMM?? Also a diesel motor will last 2-3 hundred miles gas motor will last only 150. People with vehicles that better then that never drove over 45mph
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