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#6815 of 11670 I guess I should be glad,
Oct 07, 2012 (10:41 pm)
that I am using diesel. Sometimes the truth inadvertently leaks out.
..."Brown's order will allow retailers to begin selling winter-blend gasoline, which is more plentiful and easier to make but emits more polluting vapors, ahead of the traditional October 31 transition date."...
It would appear the article CLEARLY is saying 10-15% ethanol fuel is even dirtier than the 30 to 90 ppm sulfur NON winter fuel !!! It even gets way less mpg than the "CLEANER" stuff.
Another is Senator Diane Feinstein evidently did not get the Obama party line FYI about the goal of European fuel pricing in the US ($ 10.00 US per gal) , it being less than $5.00 per gal
..."Feinstein noted that California commuters already faced the highest gas prices and the longest commutes in the country.
"Paying hundreds of dollars to fill your tank every time you go to the pump is untenable, particularly because it does not appear the price spike and supply disruption are in any way related to supply and demand," she added."...
When you put it together with the SA oil minister's 60 mins interview, a bit concerned about a MINUS 1 M barrels of US oil less consumption, you got to say that Obama's goal of ever rising fuel prices seems to work less than 5 per gal from 1.85 during the last part of the BUSH administration. Here's to 4 more years for $10.00 per gal fuel ?????????? This is proof positive Obama does NOT want to tax the 47%?
#6816 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [ruking1]
Oct 08, 2012 (5:02 am)
The failure of the FTC can be dumped directly on the administration. Jon Leibowitz is part of Obama's cabinet. Just another example of a totally inept administration. So why didn't Boxer call Barry and ask Wassup???
If the price drops in the next couple days, those that panicked will be mad at themselves. I am waiting till RUG is back to $3.95, the price when I last filled up.
When will the EPA slap CARB around and standardize fuel for the whole USA. It is ridiculous that CA has their own designer blends of gas. Maybe this fiasco will get the legislators to make some noise.
#6817 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [gagrice]
Oct 08, 2012 (6:36 am)
This morning the WSJ had an editorial on the "boutique" CA fuel (debacle).
Not that I think the medias coverage is misleading, but I think it is interesting to note that not only is the so called "winter fuel" dirtier, it has less energy content. This of course directly and indirectly leads to even worse fuel economy (up to MINUS-20%). So again if one does the cost per mile driven: FUEL calculation, which is the most likely to occur, less or MORE cost?? Additionally it (that portion)is burnt unmitigated. Emissions controls are not designed to control/mitigate ethanol emissions. I guess on the high seas of misdirection, we all forgot to note that this fuel normally costs more !! So with a more logical look at things if fuel is 10 to 15 cents cheaper and gets up to 20% less mpg, well I guess the powers that be are hoping we all DO NOT do the math.
Again the governor has gone on record as saying he was directing its "earlier" used due to it being "CHEAPER".
#6818 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [ruking1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Oct 08, 2012 (6:57 am)
That's what happens too when you tie yourself to one fuel (oil) and one industry. Exxon blows a fuse and your prices go through the roof.
Instead of a 50/50 diesel/gasoline mix, more better to have LNG, propane, plug-in, compressed air, and biogas options, not to mention continuing to research fuel cells and hydrogen and making mass transit work.
#6819 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [steve_]
Oct 08, 2012 (7:12 am)
Not sure what you are suggesting - that the industry ditch traditional gasoline/diesel engine cars and go to flex fuel vehicles that can run on LNG, gas, or propane at the flip of a switch. Nice idea, but just a little impractical.
The long term solution is EV with an electric generating system based primarily upon nuclear (with hydro and wind where it makes sense) such that we aren't burning any fossil fuel to generate electricity.
#6820 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [steve_]
Oct 08, 2012 (7:55 am)
As even you would agree that is a 40,000 ft cruising response with a couple of drinks in hand. The real world is more like close to the deck, gut wrenching, throwing up, jinking.
It has literally taken 30+ years to get 5% diesels with 50% being so called light but really LARGE trucks (down from 75%) It is still being fought against tooth and nail (well economically, legislatively and regulatorially, anyway)
Hybrids (Prius et all) still rely on boutique fuels. Hybrids offer 20% advantage. Diesels offer 30 to 50% advantages. Hybrids make LESS economic sense if you look at the math. It is hard to cut dependence on RUG to PUG if you still use RUG to PUG. This should be more than obvious. Then to elevate it to boutique status is just plain DUMB.
Not to burst the bubble but did ALL those southern SO CA VOLT/Tesla owners causee the grid to go down? Were they able to get power when the power went out !!?? I didnt know they were such MASSIVE USERS ?? Zukes alive what will they have to do with the grid when 2013 MY Volts come out?
So if the electrical power is out how much plug in juice can you get? To boot the electrical cost per mile driven is still higher than RUG/PUG.
At the risk of repeating myself when you exceed percentages of electrical baseline consumption, you are penalized. My penalty is .296 cents. This is not including enormous tax percentages. In addition the highway fund has not fully figured out how to get the same taxations that RUG/PUG fuels drop into the coffers, so you can expect the plug in sources to go up over up already. If I add a plug in, I start off 296 cents per KWH, not to mention taking 6 to 10 hours of down time.
#6821 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [habitat1]
Oct 08, 2012 (7:57 am)
Indeed not even PG & E does that !! Pacific Gas and Electric. Guess what? They are the nat gas and electrical (they do have a limited number of nukes also, solar and wind I think they vendor out) PROVIDERS !!! I am not sure what that tells Steve, but I know what it tells me.
I had some time to talk to a PGE responder (recently .... circa 2012) and casually asked him what fueled his company vehicle used to get to my location. He didn't hesitate: RUG. End of discussion. What did you all expect me to do, do a Hare Krishna on hare krishna?
#6822 of 11670 Re: I guess I should be glad, [habitat1]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Oct 08, 2012 (8:05 am)
Well, we have some flex fuel vehicles now. I'm thinking more in terms of viable alternatives to just gas or diesel. Like the port trucks switching to CNG. More alternatives could lessen the price shocks when a fuel price blips because of a weather event, hostilities, or production breakdown.
If 95% of us were driving diesel passenger cars, a refinery meltdown will still result in a price shock.