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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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Re: plans on hold [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 16, 2008 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 10:18 am)

To me the unsaid or sound of one hand clapping, is that new "higher mpg" standards might be put on hold indefinitely. It makes no financial sense to totally stop manufacturing SUV's: ie., 20-30 year phase out. They are also loathed to approve, invest, make and deploy a series 1,150,1500 V-5- 6-8 turbo diesels !! .
 
I think we are in for SOS DD ! Despite the bru ha ha about better mpg standards global warming/ climate change; i.e., winter, spring, summer, fall, as it has always been called) RUG to PUG is THE order of the realm ! Return to single digit year over year growth in consumption world wide is almost a slam dunk.
 
So as a result (my .02 cents) two markets segments that might make sense:
 
1. American SUV's Trucks with under invoice pricing, .09% financing, tax credits and vouchers. If you do 12-15kmiles per year, essentially you control cost vs use metrics.
 
2. Diesel cars that actually will hit the US market. VW Jetta TDI indeed has a modest tax credit, ala hybrid tax credits do.
 
So for example like model VW's 24/34 mpg per mile driven .0704 RUG/.0703 D2 is PAR(1.69/RUG/2.39 D2). SO do you think the RUG to PUG to D2 prices will remain low and go lower? I will let the doubters do the math at 4 per gal.
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in the news by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (4:56 pm)
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Exxon Is Spending $1 Billion to Increase Diesel Pollution.
 
Oops, minor typo there.
 
"Expanding its output of lower-emission fuel, Exxon Mobil Corp. said it would spend more than $1 billion to increase diesel production at two Gulf of Mexico refineries and a third in Belgium."
 
Exxon Is Spending $1 Billion to Increase Diesel Production (WSJ)
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Re: in the news [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 16, 2008 (5:05 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 4:56 pm)

It would be hard to make anything about the WSG headline unless it is just an add to see WSJ on line subscriptions.
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Re: in the news [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (5:17 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 16, 2008 5:05 pm)

This should be the free linky. Until Google gets shut down over it anyway. It's the top story at the moment.
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Re: in the news [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 16, 2008 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 5:17 pm)

Thanks for the extra effort, I know you monitor a lot of threads. I am not sure why this is a top story. The greater D2 demand is probably world wide rather than domestic. The domestic market actually gives tax credits and pays more at the pump for RUG to PUG to EXPORT D2 used world wide. (this tidbit is NOT in the WSJ story)
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Re: in the news [ruking1] by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (5:36 pm)
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Replying to: ruking1 (Dec 16, 2008 5:26 pm)

Oh, I should have said it's top in the search list (because of the time stamp I think). Give it an hour or two, and it'll drop down.
 
Three weeks from now someone will complain that they want to read that story and none of my links will work.
 
And yeah, it won't surprise me if the Gulf refineries send the diesel to the EU or somewhere other than the US.
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Re: in the news [steve_] by ruking1
Dec 16, 2008 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 5:36 pm)

Thanks for the clarifications.
 
.."And yeah, it won't surprise me if the Gulf refineries send the diesel to the EU or somewhere other than the US."...
 
Yes, actually I didn't save the reference, as I read an article in passing. It was along the lines of feeling disgusted, as they mentioned WE in effect pay easily .50 cents MORE per gal min for RUG to PUG to export D2 overseas. In the same misguided vane, they charge more for diesel as one more tool in the quiver to discourage its use.
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Re: in the news [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 16, 2008 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 5:36 pm)

Hopefully it does not affect the price of diesel until I get my new diesel SUV. Then they can sell diesel for half the price of gas and I will be smilin'
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Re: in the news [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 17, 2008 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 16, 2008 9:04 pm)

I remember the days when I drove my diesel car and the price of diesel was below that of gasoline. I was easily pushing 26 mpg at that time, while other cars "my size" were getting half that. Life was sweet back then.
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Re: in the news [Mr_Shiftright] by boaz47
Dec 17, 2008 (10:44 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 17, 2008 6:08 pm)

I have always liked diesel trucks but the only car to date I ever wanted was an old 300D. It was a great road car.

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