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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [nippononly]
by boaz47
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Oct 15, 2008 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Oct 14, 2008 8:52 pm)
I am sorry, I thought we were supposed to have had clean diesels in 2006. Wasn't that when the Trucks got the low sulphur diesels? I appoligise.
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [boaz47]
by gagrice
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Oct 15, 2008 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 15, 2008 6:42 am)
2006 is when ULSD was mandated. Some companies were given more time. Not sure which. I think the trucks have been evolving. Not that it makes any difference. Diesel PU trucks do not get smog checks. As of today there are no smog checks in CA for diesel cars or trucks. I was in the muffler shop when a fellow brought in a brand new Dodge Cummins truck. Had the temp tag in the window. He was getting all the smog stuff removed and straight exhaust installed. Many truck owners do that. At least with ULSD you will not see the black soot when they accelerate.
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- #620 of 795
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [gagrice]
by boaz47
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Oct 15, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 15, 2008 7:17 am)
I knew the trucks didn't have to have a smog check. It was one of the more tempting reasons I had for getting my F-250 a few years ago. I have been sorry for selling that truck ever since. But it did seem strange that they were willing to relax the standards in California to allow such a loop hole. CARB my be impotent but they have been able to move the gas standards quite a bit over the years.
I have nothing against diesel in fact I am pulling for them if they can bring one over as a small hybrid city car. I think 75 MPG should be possible. But in the long run it is still burning oil and I believe for city driving and commuting we need to look for something else. Something renewable and with zero emmisions. That is one of the reasons I like the idea of EVs. But for traveling and towing it is hard to imagine anything better than a diesel. If my Tahoe had a diesel option I might be driving a diesel today. But they have some serious problems to overcome with California's air quality standards. If Arnold and the state keep pushing for P-zero I simply don't see how diesel passenger cars will ever make it. I would rather see one standard set by the federal government for all states and have CARB disbanded.
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [boaz47]
by gagrice
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Oct 15, 2008 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 15, 2008 8:49 am)
You could do like Ahnold. He converted his Hummer one to Hydrogen to keep the Green wienies from castigating him. No problem money cannot overcome.
I agree that for most city driving an EV would be ideal. I have wanted one myself. Just nothing legal or practical in CA is available. Unless you have money to throw down the toilet and buy a Tesla. I would like to do some traveling around the US. A nice mid sized SUV powered by diesel is what I am looking for. The X5 from BMW is sitting on top right now.
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [gagrice]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Oct 15, 2008 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 15, 2008 7:17 am)
That muffler shop is beyond stupid for doing something so blatantly illegal. He could be fined mightily for that.
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- #623 of 795
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [Mr_Shiftright]
by boaz47
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Oct 15, 2008 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 15, 2008 9:22 am)
But if you remember the import car speed shops have been doing things like that for years. In fact most window tinting places tent windows the consumer can get a ticket for. I think in some cases they get passed the law by posting micro chip sized stickers on the modified part that says, "off road use only."
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- #624 of 795
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [boaz47]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Oct 15, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 15, 2008 10:08 am)
This is different. This is a FEDERAL and state offense. A shop could easily have its license yanked + monstrous fines. This isn't a "speed shop" and that's not a race car or competition 4-wheeler. (Plus confiscation of the vehicle I might add). They even busted the POLICE for doing this in California!!
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [Mr_Shiftright]
by gagrice
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Oct 15, 2008 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 15, 2008 9:22 am)
That muffler shop is beyond stupid for doing something so blatantly illegal
It is not illegal to modify your exhaust system. As long as it passes the smog test. And diesels are not tested. The only way that you would be fined is for noise pollution. I can tell you that the 1000s of little POC rice rockets running around here are a lot noisier than the Cummins diesel with straight through exhaust. San Diego is full of custom exhaust shops. I am more concerned about them causing fire than pollution.
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [gagrice]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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Oct 15, 2008 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Oct 15, 2008 11:13 am)
nope, what you say sounds logical but isn't true. You can't remove smog equipment period, whether you pass or exceed what happens out the tailpipe.
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- #627 of 795
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Re: I am looking at Jetta TDI.. But, [Mr_Shiftright]
by gagrice
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Oct 15, 2008 (12:29 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 15, 2008 11:58 am)
Well when I put a K&N filter on my 98 Chevy Suburban they took off a bunch of stuff. I was going to transfer the license from Alaska to CA, I was told that it would not pass the smog test. I did not install the K&N, a dealer here in San Diego did it. I ended up selling the vehicle. I had all the old intake stuff and put it on Craigslist. A guy bought it and was so happy as he could not get his Chevy 350 to pass smog with a K&N intake system.
So while what you say may be true. In reality dealers are doing all sorts of things to cars here that will probably fail the smog test. With the diesel PU trucks we may never know. Another good reason to own a diesel in CA. NO smog test every other year.
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