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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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#5893 of 9292 Re: Ram 1500 diesel [ateixeira] by gagrice

Jun 08, 2012 (10:30 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 08, 2012 10:19 am)
Wasn't the Jeep Liberty 2.8L CRD engine from VM Motori? Supposedly the short lived GC 3.0L CRD was of MB design. It looks like VM Motori is partly owned by Daimler.

#5894 of 9292 Re: More down to earth... [ruking1] by steve_ HOST

Jun 08, 2012 (10:33 am)

Replying to: ruking1 (Jun 08, 2012 10:25 am)
I think more people associate smelly cars with diesels yeah.
 
Not really all that many smoking gas clunkers on the roads any more. Plenty of smelly diesel rigs around here though.

#5895 of 9292 Re: Ram 1500 diesel [gagrice] by ateixeira

Jun 08, 2012 (10:41 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Jun 08, 2012 10:30 am)
Quick google....by '95 Detroit Diesel owned them, so who knows where it was developed.

#5896 of 9292 Re: More down to earth... [steve_] by ruking1

Jun 08, 2012 (3:50 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Jun 08, 2012 10:33 am)
I take it they have all found a regional home !!
 
I do notice caricature MONSTER trucks( diesels or even gassers) in this "neck of the woods" very few are so called "smokers".
 
When so called "CAFE" racing was popular for (gasser) ricers, LEO's would actually stop vehicles for emissions inspections and impound, if there were too many non certified equipment, without the proper EPA numbers.

#5897 of 9292 why I avoid modern unmodded USA diesels by elias

Jun 10, 2012 (5:50 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Jun 05, 2012 2:10 pm)
diesel being 5% more per gallon than gas is stopping you from buying 335d compared to nondiesel 3-series?
 
It appears that you have identified a reason USA people don't buy diesel cars: they don't consider the cost(s) per mile driven, or the # of refuel stops, or the increased resale value.
Your indication appears consistent with that of USA buyers, primarily considering the extra cost per gallon of the fuel and extra cost up front.
 
In my case recently, as a four-time, ~100k each, diesel-VW owner, I am aware of all possible arithmetic re gas vs diesel car ownership yet still selected a gas Cruze instead of waiting for diesel Cruze.
 
A factor for avoiding current diesels in USA for me was all the "regen" nonsense: pumping fuel into the exhaust just for emissions purposes, dropping mpg 20% or 50% (!) overall in some driving situations.
Previously the EGR hack on USA diesels caused enough trouble - and now "regen" as well as EGR are both mandated? Ugh. That is unacceptable for me as a buyer, considerably defeating a major purpose of the diesel.
  "Adblue" or SCR are both fine with me in a new diesel vehicle, but the only way I would consider a post-2007 USA diesel car or truck is along with doing a DPF-delete & regen-delete - keeping the old parts & ECM so it could be returned to stock. I'd register the vehicle where state-inspection allows such deletes - evidently my state does allow such.

#5898 of 9292 Re: why I avoid modern unmodded USA diesels [elias] by gagrice

Jun 10, 2012 (6:38 am)

Replying to: elias (Jun 10, 2012 5:50 am)
I wonder how difficult it would be to remove all the emissions crap from a new Mercedes Bluetec? It may be a big undertaking with the computer interaction. Though in both VW and MB diesels they seem to be improving the mileage along with making them cleaner burning. I would not want to be an early Cruze diesel buyer. If they did not design the engine with US emissions in mind to start with.

#5899 of 9292 Re: why I avoid modern unmodded USA diesels [elias] by steve_ HOST

Jun 10, 2012 (7:39 am)

Replying to: elias (Jun 10, 2012 5:50 am)
increased resale value
 
That's an interesting one. I've read lots of posts where people enjoyed great resale on their diesel cars.
 
But the pool of prospective buyers is, I presume, a lot smaller.

#5900 of 9292 Re: More down to earth... [steve_] by byrn

Jun 10, 2012 (8:51 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Jun 08, 2012 9:22 am)
A lot of spin here (no offense intended) about how clean diesels are. Apparently the newer ones are so clean you can suck down the emissions and be better for it. YetI thought the oil derived content in their emissions was higher?
 
Anyway, seems now matter how new a Ford with it's huge tail pipe is it always reeks. Like I tell my kid,
 
You can always smell a Ford.

#5901 of 9292 Re: More down to earth... [steve_] by byrn

Jun 10, 2012 (9:08 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Jun 08, 2012 10:33 am)
Not saying anyone here so don't jump down my throat, but there seems to be this strange subset of drivers out there which apparently view it as a macho thing to leave their diesel running, fouling up the air for fifty ft around while casually standing nearby as if diesel fumes were the most natural thing in the world to breathe.
 
I don't mind people doing that to themselves if that's what they choose, but I have a kid in elementary school and it really irks me when people driving these huge trucks pull up alongside the curb in front of the school refusing to turn them off while waiting to pick up their kid, all the while callously belching horrible fumes that dozens of children have to walk through. Seems kind of rude to me.

#5902 of 9292 Re: More down to earth... [byrn] by steve_ HOST

Jun 10, 2012 (10:16 am)

Replying to: byrn (Jun 10, 2012 9:08 am)
The neighbor's nephew did that last summer - showed up at 6 am and went in to chat. Left his diesel truck clattering for a good 15 minutes.
 
Idling in any rig irritates me though. Love to have a remote control gizmo that would shut down the engine in those situations (and one for cell phones and TVs, Harleys...). Idling is illegal in many places but rarely enforced. Maybe you need to donate one of these to your school.
 
This is an interesting one too.

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