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Automotive News & Views What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
1603 messages, Last post on Jan 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM
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Replying to: jipster (Aug 10, 2008 12:25 pm) And that is the biggest problem, no one will offer them.  How nice would my new Taurus be with a 2.5L diesel getting 40mpg or more.  If it gets close to 28mpg with the 3.5L gas then 40 or more would not be out of line.
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Diesel would have to be the same price as regular gas or less the way it was for years. Paid today for regular $3.77 South east FL. |
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Replying to: bumpy (Aug 10, 2008 3:46 pm) Oh yeah, the diesels of your Isuzu vintage wouldn't start in the cold either. Diesel has a long litany of issues stuck in the minds of many people that they'll have to overcome to enjoy market penetration like they have in the EU. Good mechanics are hard enough to find for gas rigs too; now I have to hope the dealership pays to keep at least one person trained on the diesel rigs?
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 10, 2008 6:13 pm) Block heater, for the colder climes. I do remember starting it with snow on the ground (about 30F or so), just had to wait a minute or so for the glow plugs to do their thing. Also, I think some of the mileage expectations in this thread are unrealistic. 40 mpg is 42% higher than 28 mpg. Hybrids don't even come close to that kind of increase.
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Replying to: bumpy (Aug 10, 2008 7:13 pm) I've scanned a lot of diesel talk around here, especially over in the Jeep Liberty CRD discussion. I don't remember cloud talk, but there's lots of additive talk about cetane boosters and the like. Trying to pin down the diesel cloud point is hard but 6°F seems common. Fuel Gelling Challenges I'll invite the CRD crowd over here. Better to hear it from actual owners than from the likes of me.
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Use this handy widget to compare costs between Diesel and Gas versions. My real world mileage with my Diesel Jeep Liberty still compares favorably with the real world mileage of a gasser (I have a coworker with a 3.7L gas). Even comparing EPA estimates, I come out slightly ahead. Downsides are that my oil changes with synthetic oil, even at extended intervals, are an eye watering $80. The only thing worth noting is that resale on the diesel is much better compared with an identically equipped gas version. I think it's a matter of personal taste and believe eventually we will see diesel moderate. Then the economic argument will be clearer. Here's the widget URL... http://widgets.mslideas.com/dieselcalculator |
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 10, 2008 7:23 pm) If I find a clean 1995 or older Ford Powerstroke I will buy it to replace this gas guzzling Ford Ranger. |
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It would take cheap diesel fuel for me to buy a diesel car. Why would the average consumer buy a car that gets 20% better mpg than a gasoline car, only to pay 20% more for the fuel?
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Replying to: 1stpik (Aug 11, 2008 7:22 am) If you had a gasoline Jetta getting 29 MPG and a diesel Jetta getting 44 MPG, the price of diesel would have to be MORE THAN 50% higher than gasoline before you'd spend as much on diesel. If regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel would have to be $5.33 before the diesel would not be a bargain. At those prices, it would cost virtually the same in each car to drive 10,000 miles.
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Replying to: larsb (Aug 11, 2008 7:42 am) So fuel price is your sole motivator for choosing/not choosing a diesel car in the future?
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